Kevin De Bruyne - 2016/17 performances

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Too early to judge. If he continues this impressive run, he might be played on the wing. Silva and Gundo are better as ball-holders anyway. We'll see, man. Though if Pep plans to use more 'counter-attacking' setup, Bayern-style, like yesterday, then I'm puzzled.

De Bruyne isn't going to be a Guardiola winger. No chance. He doesn't have the outright pace or 1v1 ability to do the job the wingers are being asked to do, and the role they are playing, staying wide until about 30 yards from goal would be a complete waste of his abilities.

If you think De Bruyne will be on the wing with any regularity, you're watching a different Man City to the rest of us.
 
Too early to judge. If he continues this impressive run, he might be played on the wing. Silva and Gundo are better as ball-holders anyway. We'll see, man. Though if Pep plans to use more 'counter-attacking' setup, Bayern-style, like yesterday, then I'm puzzled.

We were able to play on the break more last night as we had the game pretty much won after 30 minutes.

KDB is just as good at keeping possession as Gundogan and Silva IMO. He might be rotated a bit but to say he doesn't get in our strongest XI is nonsense.
 
We were able to play on the break more last night as we had the game pretty much won after 30 minutes.

KDB is just as good at keeping possession as Gundogan and Silva IMO. He might be rotated a bit but to say he doesn't get in our strongest XI is nonsense.

They are all fantastic players end of. Fully agree with your last paragraph.
 
We were able to play on the break more last night as we had the game pretty much won after 30 minutes.
KDB is just as good at keeping possession as Gundogan and Silva IMO. He might be rotated a bit but to say he doesn't get in our strongest XI is nonsense.
Yep, we gave out possession (50/50 according to stats) and destroyed them on counters. KdB is worse as a passer in tight spaces than those two, less pressing-resistant... But Pep puts him into spaces where he doesn't need to do it...Seems like our first 11 and tactics will be unpredictable for each game.
I think no coach would like to be in Howe's shoes today :)
 
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Yep, we gave out possession (50/50 according to stats) and destroyed them on counters. KdB is worse as a passer in tight spaces than those two, less pressing-resistant... But Pep puts him into spaces where he doesn't need to do it...Seems like our first 11 and tactics will be unpredictable for each game.
I think no coach would like to be in Howe's shoes today :)
KDB being a worse passer than them is a myth. He is just as good as Silva and Gundogan at the very least. KDB does take a lot of chances with his passes which results in more passes not connecting, and his risk taking is what City needs and what he's good at. But that doesn't mean he can't do simple passes connecting the play and beating the press. Sorry but that's a stupid thing to say.
 
De Bruyne isn't going to be a Guardiola winger. No chance. He doesn't have the outright pace or 1v1 ability to do the job the wingers are being asked to do, and the role they are playing, staying wide until about 30 yards from goal would be a complete waste of his abilities.
If you think De Bruyne will be on the wing with any regularity, you're watching a different Man City to the rest of us.
I know all these things mate, I'm just puzzled. I was listening to CityWatch's yesterday podcast and they were discussing the same thing: how to shoehorn all three in one lineup. Moving KdB slightly wide was one of the options. Silva can also play as LW in some games.
KDB being a worse passer than them is a myth. He is just as good as Silva and Gundogan at the very least. KDB does take a lot of chances with his passes which results in more passes not connecting, and his risk taking is what City needs and what he's good at. But that doesn't mean he can't do simple passes connecting the play and beating the press. Sorry but that's a stupid thing to say.
You're right in your own way, I've used wrong words. I mean the ability to pass in tight spaces under pressure, to shield the ball, to turn quickly. Like Silva. Not the simple passing itself.
 
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The way I see it, Guardiola is aiming for two things: to have an entire squad that's competitive so he can rotate and pick the players who are in form and to be able to pick those players who will fit the formation he prefers for a specific match best. Which means you may have KDB playing as a 'false' winger cutting inside with a back overlapping.
Another option is Silva and KDB in the middle with a holding midfielder behind them or KDB as a shadow striker close to Aguero.

Either way he's got plenty of options and I'm sure he'll be trying to use the squad to maximum effect.

Exciting times.
 
The way I see it, Guardiola is aiming for two things: to have an entire squad that's competitive so he can rotate and pick the players who are in form and to be able to pick those players who will fit the formation he prefers for a specific match best. Which means you may have KDB playing as a 'false' winger cutting inside with a back overlapping.
Another option is Silva and KDB in the middle with a holding midfielder behind them or KDB as a shadow striker close to Aguero.

Either way he's got plenty of options and I'm sure he'll be trying to use the squad to maximum effect.

Exciting times.

Exactly. We don't have a best 11. Every player when in form represents a puzzle piece that Pep will use every other game after he and his team have analyzed the next opponent.
 
The way I see it, Guardiola is aiming for two things: to have an entire squad that's competitive so he can rotate and pick the players who are in form and to be able to pick those players who will fit the formation he prefers for a specific match best. Which means you may have KDB playing as a 'false' winger cutting inside with a back overlapping.
Another option is Silva and KDB in the middle with a holding midfielder behind them or KDB as a shadow striker close to Aguero.

Either way he's got plenty of options and I'm sure he'll be trying to use the squad to maximum effect.

Exciting times.

That's the thing, we have a lot of players who can play in different positions & that isn't restricted to a game by game basis, it can happen in the same game.

As for DeBruyne, he can run the show in the centre, or he can do a specific job out wide. He is the best crosser of a ball at the club, so there is no reason not to use him in that role if the manager fancies it. Or against Barca for instance, Pep may decide that playing all 3 of Gundogan, Fern & Silva, is more solid & then use KDB as one of the front 3, but also dropping back into midfield with Sterling or Sane doing the same, to make a 5. That would be a pretty dangerous counter attacking unit, which can also pass it & press as good as anyone imo.
 
That's the thing, we have a lot of players who can play in different positions & that isn't restricted to a game by game basis, it can happen in the same game.

As for DeBruyne, he can run the show in the centre, or he can do a specific job out wide. He is the best crosser of a ball at the club, so there is no reason not to use him in that role if the manager fancies it. Or against Barca for instance, Pep may decide that playing all 3 of Gundogan, Fern & Silva, is more solid & then use KDB as one of the front 3, but also dropping back into midfield with Sterling or Sane doing the same, to make a 5. That would be a pretty dangerous counter attacking unit, which can also pass it & press as good as anyone imo.
It's a shit problem to have isn't it, so many world class players we're not sure how to shoehorn them all in, I'm sure Pep knows his own mind on this and that's all that really matters, bet there's a few managers shitting themselves this season :-)
 
It's a shit problem to have isn't it, so many world class players we're not sure how to shoehorn them all in, I'm sure Pep knows his own mind on this and that's all that really matters, bet there's a few managers shitting themselves this season :-)

Imo, Pep has to rest him though. I said it about both KDB & Silva & we lost Silva anyway. Imo, KDB will soon break down unless Pep rests him. That would be Pep's first major fuckup.

If we have everyone fit for Barca/Spurs we can beat both imo. If not, we could have problems.
 
Imo, Pep has to rest him though. I said it about both KDB & Silva & we lost Silva anyway. Imo, KDB will soon break down unless Pep rests him. That would be Pep's first major fuckup.

If we have everyone fit for Barca/Spurs we can beat both imo. If not, we could have problems.
That's probably what I was getting at, we can rest anyone of them without intrinsically weakening the team
 
I know all these things mate, I'm just puzzled. I was listening to CityWatch's yesterday podcast and they were discussing the same thing: how to shoehorn all three in one lineup. Moving KdB slightly wide was one of the options. Silva can also play as LW in some games.

You're right in your own way, I've used wrong words. I mean the ability to pass in tight spaces under pressure, to shield the ball, to turn quickly. Like Silva. Not the simple passing itself.
I still think KDB can pass in tight spaces under pressure just as good as Silva and Gundogan. I don't recall him ever losing possession except for when he tries the riskier through passes, which lowers his passing %.
 
Interesting, thanks both. I think he might rest KDB or at least sub him at halftime.

To be fair either of these should be good enough against B'mouth (no disrespect)

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