Celtic game - strict security measures announced (page 34)

[Tim1980]

Have I just seen Scott Sinclair called a big gun??

haha. Aye. It's all relative

 

[mrtwiceaseason]

Not necessarily a Scottish or an Irish person but the widespread coverage Celtic's Palestinian protest reveived and the subsequent fundraising I was just wondering.

Oh right I'd genuinely never heard of that ,i must live under a rock or something.

 

[Tim1980]

Tim here is my take on it. Regarding opposition fans going where they "should,nt" be, frankly there has been some precious posts in this thread by some City fans. Loads of blues have done this all over the UK and Europe. It is however only twats who do not respect that they are in an area of a ground where it is not only sensible but a matter of good manners to behave appropriately. Sometimes that may involve keeping quiet, sometimes it might be ok to cheer your team on....but you dont go in there wearing colours or indeed taking the piss in anyway. I am sure plenty of Celtic fans did behave appropriately and were welcomed by blues.

Regardless of which part of the stadium you are in, singing songs, chanting, flying flags that may involve offending the natives, such as those chants or songs that may attack our armed forces or indeed glorify a terrorist group that bombed and killed both servicemen and civilians in this country is not acceptable.

Infact anyone who feels otherwise should not even be in this country for any reason whatsoever in my humble opinion. Ironic dont you think that to even say such a thing can get you accused of all kinds of nonsense here in England these days, yet some of your support seem to be free to spout pro IRA bile. To compare it with singing songs about Munich is wide of the mark, after all Munich was an accident a totally different thing. Attacks on British servicemen and civilians were cerainly not For the record as someone mentioned City were not without loss in the Munich disaster, and the songs about it are moronic and have long since been almost universally accepted as such.

A good post overall. I wasn't comparing the two to Munich. The guy I made that reply to was acting as if your fans were whiter than white. I completely get the hostility our songbook etc attracts. Esp in England. FWIW you can get jail for singing those in Scotland. Complete over reaction. It that's what the offensive behaviour at football act brought in

 

[Tim1980]

Oh right I'd genuinely never heard of that ,i must live under a rock or something.

I said widespread coverage, and whilenit was picked up by some national news outlets if you weren't a Celtic fan you may well have missed it.
The flag was covered by one of your fellow fans anyway and was nothing to do with that

 

[Bones]

Anyone see the lad with the Paratroopers flag? Made me chuckle, good lad.

Septic lived up to their reputation as terrorist loving scum bags last night.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Anyone see the lad with the Paratroopers flag? Made me chuckle, good lad.

Septic lived up to their reputation as terrorist loving scum bags last night.

One of the Celtic fans kept going to the nearest steward to complain only for him to chuck his lighter over when there was a minor disturbance.

The arsehole was wearing one of those stupid hats with goggles attached

 

[Tim1980]

One of the Celtic fans kept going to the nearest steward to complain only for him to chuck his lighter over when there was a minor disturbance.

The arsehole was wearing one of those stupid hats with goggles attached

I hate those hats. And the jackets that have the glasses on the hood

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I hate those hats. And the jackets that have the glasses on the hood

Spot on mate. Fashion disaster!

 

[Magicpole]

Well said. What was depressing to me was that the Celtic fans at the first match seemed to get behind the team properly without as much of the politics.

The majority of fans do not get involved with this. Our away support are more likely to. Not all if us agree with using the club as a political vehicle.

It saddens me.

 

[purplenose]

A good post overall. I wasn't comparing the two to Munich. The guy I made that reply to was acting as if your fans were whiter than white. I completely get the hostility our songbook etc attracts. Esp in England. FWIW you can get jail for singing those in Scotland. Complete over reaction. It that's what the offensive behaviour at football act brought in

Its a shame to be honest as Celtic have one of the great stadiums and atmospheres in world football, a great pity it harbours support for a terror organisation and for that reason I personaly would not set foot in the place.

Anyone claiming City fans all deserve the wings of an angel, must be on crack. Whiter than white not in my life time by any stretch, but then its a different crowd go to games these days for reasons covered on numerous other threads. I think it is fair to say that were Celtic fans to have done what they did last night 20 years ago it would have sparked serious disorder.

 

[casserole of nonsense]

Have I just seen Scott Sinclair called a big gun??

Hello Big Gun Scotty....

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The majority of fans do not get involved with this. Our away support are more likely to. Not all if us agree with using the club as a political vehicle.

It saddens me.

I took a few Irish lads to the game last night who like Celtic but aren't big fans. They just watched the game and respected being in the home end.

 

[casserole of nonsense]

The majority of fans do not get involved with this. Our away support are more likely to. Not all if us agree with using the club as a political vehicle.

It saddens me.

What steps does the club take to discourage sectarianism? I assume certain banners and flags are removed by the stewards on match days, and the perpetrators of sectarian chanting are given lengthy stadium bans?

 

[Magicpole]

What steps does the club take to discourage sectarianism? I assume certain banners and flags are removed by the stewards on match days, and the perpetrators of sectarian chanting are given lengthy stadium bans?

It is an offence in Scotland to sing certain sectarian or political songs. You can be arrested. As for the club doing more? They don't want this but it is difficult to change. The troubles of Ireland have been going for 800 years after it was colonised and planted with Scots and English.

A statement or increased measures might help but it's a deep historical problem that both Glasgow Clubs are embroiled in due to their respective supports.

I had hoped that after the peace process things would ease up. I'm still hoping. I hate religion of any sort and it's involvement in football is an ugly stain.

In short, there is no simple answer. As long as people teach their kids to hate someone because if religion there isn't much a football club can do.

 

[bennyboy]

It is an offence in Scotland to sing certain sectarian or political songs. You can be arrested. As for the club doing more? They don't want this but it is difficult to change. The troubles of Ireland have been going for 800 years after it was colonised and planted with Scots and English.

A statement or increased measures might help but it's a deep historical problem that both Glasgow Clubs are embroiled in due to their respective supports.

I had hoped that after the peace process things would ease up. I'm still hoping. I hate religion of any sort and it's involvement in football is an ugly stain.

In short, there is no simple answer. As long as people teach their kids to hate someone because if religion there isn't much a football club can do.

Good post but Celtic pamper far too much to the green brigade.
They have continually let the club down but still they are there.
They should have been disbanded years ago.

 

[Magicpole]

Good post but Celtic pamper far too much to the green brigade.
They have continually let the club down but still they are there.
They should have been disbanded years ago.

The GB are a double edged sword. They do bring atmosphere and are good to watch. On the other hand they can be overtly political and bring Celtic into focus on issues they rather wouldn't be involved in.

The political side I would rather they took to the streets. I'm bored with getting into bother by the use of Celtic as a campaign vehicle.

I would prefer we sang the hundreds of songs we have without the need to resort to the political ones.

 

[casserole of nonsense]

It is an offence in Scotland to sing certain sectarian or political songs. You can be arrested. As for the club doing more? They don't want this but it is difficult to change. The troubles of Ireland have been going for 800 years after it was colonised and planted with Scots and English.

A statement or increased measures might help but it's a deep historical problem that both Glasgow Clubs are embroiled in due to their respective supports.

I had hoped that after the peace process things would ease up. I'm still hoping. I hate religion of any sort and it's involvement in football is an ugly stain.

In short, there is no simple answer. As long as people teach their kids to hate someone because if religion there isn't much a football club can do.

Good, I'm glad both Glasgow clubs are doing everything they possibly can to change sectarian attitudes amongst their support. There was me thinking that past colonial exploitation and historical religious differences were conveniently used to justify how difficult change is in the present. I used to think both clubs were reluctant to instigate change because sectarian ego was part of their core branding.

I can't believe the huge impact of these ongoing measures hasn't been obvious to me before.

 

[Magicpole]

Good, I'm glad both Glasgow clubs are doing everything they possibly can to change sectarian attitudes amongst their support. There was me thinking that past colonial exploitation and historical religious differences were convenient justifications used to validate how difficult change is in the present. I used to think both clubs were reluctant to instigate change because sectarian ego was part of their core branding.

I can't believe the huge impact of these ongoing measures hasn't been obvious to me before.

If you have a problem, then add religious hatred into the mix, it can become intractable. Both clubs have benefitted from it financially over the decades, you're bang on there.

It's now a bit of an embarrassment but they haven't really got the power to change attitudes on a societal level. Banning songs sometimes makes the signing of them an act of defiance for both sides.

It is a sad state of affairs, our adherence and differing interpretation of man made invisible man in the sky fables, sees the same old lines being drawn and redrawn down the centuries.

Everybody has right and their version of their fictitious god on their side.

It's FUBAR.

 

[casserole of nonsense]

If you have a problem, then add religious hatred into the mix, it can become intractable. Both clubs have benefitted from it financially over the decades, you're bang on there.

It's now a bit of an embarrassment but they haven't really got the power to change attitudes on a societal level. Banning songs sometimes makes the signing of them an act of defiance for both sides.

It is a sad state of affairs, our adherence and differing interpretation of man made invisible man in the sky fables, sees the same old lines being drawn and redrawn down the centuries.

Everybody has right and their version of their fictitious god on their side.

It's FUBAR.

It's described as intractable because it's convenient to both clubs (and many other institutions) to view it that way. It's hatred rooted in mediaeval hocus pocus; of course it can be sorted, but that can only happen when people stop saying it's intractable. As you say, it's very sad.

 

[Magicpole]

It's described as intractable because it's convenient to both clubs (and many other institutions) to view it that way. It's hatred rooted in mediaeval hocus pocus; of course it can be sorted, but that can only happen when people stop saying it's intractable. As you say, it's very sad.

Back in the day a celtic v rangers game would see hundreds of arrests and much more aggro. That has diminished thankfully, due in part to the new allocations of only 7,500 away fans. It used to be 22,000 away fans at each ground, mass drinking and meeting in the city centre always led to fights

Someday maybe. But unfortunately not any day soon I'm afraid.