Jack Byrne

[billymumphrey]

I'm sure Pep will have a look at him. He's bound to be better right now anyhow, as he's been playing senior football for years.

i imagine Jack Rodwell or Gelson Fernandes would be better than Byrne if they started tomorrow.

Non of that is relevant to whether A: Jack could be a better player by now than he currently is, if he'd been playing in the right team & B: whether we can get him back on track for a fully deserved shot at our squad, which was the position in July.

Well obviously the club thought otherwise, and that decision seems to be vindicated by his performance (or lack thereof) at Blackburn.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Well obviously the club thought otherwise, and that decision seems to be vindicated by his performance (or lack thereof) at Blackburn.

You have no idea what the club thought. We signed two players for transfer fees & sent them out on loan. It would be a strange situation if we signed them for millions & don't think they are good enough for a shot at our squad. No reason to think Byrne wasn't in the same position.

Byrne was a player coming though his loan absolutely as well as we could possibly have hoped. He went out to play regular football, same as the kids we signed. Imo if he had gone to PSV instead of Blackburn, he'd be in the team just as often as Zinchenko & if it was reversed Zinchenko would be on the bench at Blackburn, as would Celina.

 

[billymumphrey]

You have no idea what the club thought. We signed two players for transfer fees & sent them out on loan. It would be a strange situation if we signed them for millions & don't think they are good enough for a shot at our squad. No reason to think Byrne wasn't in the same position.

Byrne was a player coming though his loan absolutely as well as we could possibly have hoped. He went out to play regular football, same as the kids we signed. Imo if he had gone to PSV instead of Blackburn, he'd be in the team just as often as Zinchenko & if it was reversed Zinchenko would be on the bench at Blackburn, as would Celina.

I don't claim to know what the club thought - however if they did think he "fully deserved a spot at our squad, which was the position in July", then I dare say he would have, funnily enough, had a spot in our squad.

The fact that he was sent on loan seems to indicate that the club did think he did...

 

[Neville Kneville]

I don't claim to know what the club thought - however if they did think he "fully deserved a spot at our squad, which was the position in July", then I dare say he would have, funnily enough, had a spot in our squad.

The fact that he was sent on loan seems to indicate that the club did think he did...

I'm not saying he fully deserved a spot in the squad for this season, I'm saying that in the summer, he was completely on track to get a shot at City's first team & fully deserved that status as a prospect.

Now he isn't even in the picture & is behind a lot of players, basically because he's been in the wrong place.

He was a hot prospect who looked on track to be groomed for the first team in June. Now he is an unknown quantity. We have no idea what condition he is in physically or mentally wheras 6 months ago he was on top of the world & full of confidence.

It's a real shame.

 

[Jacob Smith]

Well obviously the club thought otherwise, and that decision seems to be vindicated by his performance (or lack thereof) at Blackburn.

The way his loan was all rushed very much sounded like it was Byrne himself who wanted to get out on loan. It hasn't worked out so he's come back and will have another shot at the first team in the summer. He won't have regressed this year, just won't have taken any steps forward, which is a shame as he finished last season looking like one of our brightest talents.

 

[billymumphrey]

The way his loan was all rushed very much sounded like it was Byrne himself who wanted to get out on loan. It hasn't worked out so he's come back and will have another shot at the first team in the summer. He won't have regressed this year, just won't have taken any steps forward, which is a shame as he finished last season looking like one of our brightest talents.

With the benefit of hindsight, assuming he had stayed here rather then go to Blackburn, would he have actually made any appearances? Maybe against the Rags in the Cup, but I mean we've had close to three of our midfielders out for a fair chunk of the season (Gundogan and Delph with Injuries, Toure because his agent is a pork chop) and Fernandinho has been suspended for a fair few games as well, and Garcia has only had a few appearances here and there. I would assume Byrne would be behind him (despite that they are different players) but he probably would not have got many opportunities if he had stayed...

 

[eversince 76]

Whatever his status last summer or now, Byrne needs to go on loan and he will. The club, player and his agent need to be sure he ends up at a club with a foreign manager or a manager that actually tries to play football on the pitch.

 

[Neville Kneville]

With the benefit of hindsight, assuming he had stayed here rather then go to Blackburn, would he have actually made any appearances? Maybe against the Rags in the Cup, but I mean we've had close to three of our midfielders out for a fair chunk of the season (Gundogan and Delph with Injuries, Toure because his agent is a pork chop) and Fernandinho has been suspended for a fair few games as well, and Garcia has only had a few appearances here and there. I would assume Byrne would be behind him (despite that they are different players) but he probably would not have got many opportunities if he had stayed...

The situation you describe with Garcia etc, is what should have already happened with players such as Byrne, Barker, Denayer etc etc etc etc years ago. They should have been brought in for a taste of the first team when they were at their peak, then loaned, to play regular football, if they didn't break through. Then we have seen them at first team level & they have tasted it, rather than just ornaments around the club or, in the case of Denayer, not even remotely anything to do with City whatsoever, apart from ownership. Pep is doing that with the younger kids now, but for all the older generation, it's past that point & Pep can't possibly try them al out, & it wouldn't be fair to have them hanging around, going through the same motions, week in week out.

They need football & it's about trying to relight their careers on loan, as they haven't had a sniff of opportunity at City in the past 3 years.

Byrne was one of the few who landed in the right place on loan & was doing everything right & putting himself back in the picture. But now it's gone tits up again for him.

I may be totally wrong, but I feel that if Pep had more time & those fucking euros weren't in the way, players like Byrne & Denayer may have had a shot this season, at least up til this transfer window.

 

[domalino]

With the benefit of hindsight, assuming he had stayed here rather then go to Blackburn, would he have actually made any appearances? Maybe against the Rags in the Cup, but I mean we've had close to three of our midfielders out for a fair chunk of the season (Gundogan and Delph with Injuries, Toure because his agent is a pork chop) and Fernandinho has been suspended for a fair few games as well, and Garcia has only had a few appearances here and there. I would assume Byrne would be behind him (despite that they are different players) but he probably would not have got many opportunities if he had stayed...

Byrne would have had a fairly major advantage over Garcia in that he already had a season of professional football under his belt. He would have been more first team ready than Aleix in August, used to playing against pro's, used to playing in very high stakes games, and much more experienced at having to be completely switched on for 90 minutes.

Byrne is IMO quite easy for a manager to trust as well, he works like a dog and he looks after the ball - he's not going to give away possession cheaply and get you in trouble.

Put it this way - Jack's got 31 games worth of professional experience (2754 mins), and Garcia has 4 games worth (318).

 

[domalino]

The situation you describe with Garcia etc, is what should have already happened with players such as Byrne, Barker, Denayer etc etc etc etc years ago. They should have been brought in for a taste of the first team when they were at their peak, then loaned, to play regular football, if they didn't break through. Then we have seen them at first team level & they have tasted it, rather than just ornaments around the club or, in the case of Denayer, not even remotely anything to do with City whatsoever, apart from ownership. Pep is doing that with the younger kids now, but for all the older generation, it's past that point & Pep can't possibly try them al out, & it wouldn't be fair to have them hanging around, going through the same motions, week in week out.

They need football & it's about trying to relight their careers on loan, as they haven't had a sniff of opportunity at City in the past 3 years.

Byrne was one of the few who landed in the right place on loan & was doing everything right & putting himself back in the picture. But now it's gone tits up again for him.

I may be totally wrong, but I feel that if Pep had more time & those fucking euros weren't in the way, players like Byrne & Denayer may have had a shot this season, at least up til this transfer window.

You're probably right about the Euros, but I'm not sure Denayer or Byrne would have benefitted, because both left for regular football, and I don't think either wanted a rotation/back up role this season, which is completely fair.

Denayer in particular, I just can't see how Pep would have not preferred to have a 4th centreback this season. At least Denayer's agent made it seem Pep was very involved in choosing where he went on loan, which makes me optimistic.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You're probably right about the Euros, but I'm not sure Denayer or Byrne would have benefitted, because both left for regular football, and I don't think either wanted a rotation/back up role this season, which is completely fair.

Denayer in particular, I just can't see how Pep would have not preferred to have a 4th centreback this season. At least Denayer's agent made it seem Pep was very involved in choosing where he went on loan, which makes me optimistic.

I just mean that, if Pep had more time when he arrived, he might have made a stronger case to those players, to stick around, rather than basically telling them, honestly, they are unlikely to get much of a chance. And there is no point in lying to them.

I suppose what I mean is that thier seniority is actually working against them compared to Garcia etc. he can afford to hang around, being coached by Pep, playing a few minutes here & there. They are past that stage.

If Pep had Denayer, Byrne,Barker, etc etc at 17-18, they would imo, all have played some kind of senior football for City by now & then, if necessary, gone on loan.

 

[domalino]

I just mean that, if Pep had more time when he arrived, he might have made a stronger case to those players, to stick around, rather than basically telling them, honestly, they are unlikely to get much of a chance. And there is no point in lying to them.

I suppose what I mean is that thier seniority is actually working against them compared to Garcia etc. he can afford to hang around, being coached by Pep, playing a few minutes here & there. They are past that stage.

If Pep had Denayer, Byrne,Barker, etc etc at 17-18, they would imo, all have played some kind of senior football for City by now & then, if necessary, gone on loan.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Rather than focusing on mistakes of the past though, lets all just be grateful that Pep is the guy overseeing this stage of the 1999 and 2000 age groups development.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Rather than focusing on mistakes of the past though, lets all just be grateful that Pep is the guy overseeing this stage of the 1999 and 2000 age groups development.

Absolutely.

His inclusion of Foden on the bench was the best news for the academy since the takeover.

 

[leighton]

I think with the Byrne situation he will learn a lot from that experience. Look at Harry Kane before he broke into the Spurs team he had 2 bad loan moves out 1 where he barely got a look in. He came back to Spurs and learned from that experience and once given the chance took it and now is a regular. I aint saying the same will happen for Byrne. But Jack must be buzzing to be out of Blackburn and back training with the club and being around Pep will help him even if it is for a few weeks and the club sort out a loan again for the remainer of the season. Or even if the worst happens and no deal is sorted and Jack stays around the club he will be training and Pep will make his mind up on him.
I was hopeful that Jack would of stayed out in the Dutch league or French league to continue his football career but this move was a bad 1. I think a more technical league would suit Jack more so than the championship. Now if the club can sort out that deal then it could get Jack back on track. I honestly feel he has the skills to be a part of the City squad and the desire to be the best he can do. With some of our midfield at the moment centrally there will be major changes in the next 2 to 4 years. The likes of Fernandhino , Silva and Yaya all have to be replaced some time soon. Could any of the kids come in to replace them long term i hope some do. But there is a chance there for any of those kids around the 19 to 21 year old to nail down a place in our squad in the next 2 years.

 

[Trautmann's Chiropractor]

Looks like Dundee are interested in signing him on loan. I'm a Dundee fan and I think getting him in would be amazing for the club, he's exactly the type of player we need. However I don't think moving to us would be good in terms of his development. Dundee and the bottom half teams of the SPL are fighting to not be relegated. There are only 7 points between the bottom 6 teams, it's a total free for all and Dundee are currently 8th out of 12. I think Jack would be a big fish in a small pond if he moves to us and I'm struggling to decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing after his time at Blackburn. It'd be similar to his loan at Cambuur, but I feel he could probably make his way into a stronger side in a better league. The Dee's don't exactly play the expansive style that City play, and the fans were calling for our manager (Paul Hartley) to resign because of our dip in form a few months ago so maybe it's not the stablest of environments for him. If he does move then best of luck to him and I hope he can help us avoid the relegation play offs.

 

[WNRH]

but I feel he could probably make his way into a stronger side in a better league.

Isn't that what he did at Blackburn??

 

[leighton]

The Spl if he was going to go there you would think it would be any of the top 3 teams not Dundee. I look at Celtic , Rangers and Aberdeen any of those maybe a slight chance. Just think a move out to a technical league would suit Byrne the best. I be interested to see what the club think about a move out and where they would like to see him playing.

 

[starsandstripes]

The Spl if he was going to go there you would think it would be any of the top 3 teams not Dundee. I look at Celtic , Rangers and Aberdeen any of those maybe a slight chance. Just think a move out to a technical league would suit Byrne the best. I be interested to see what the club think about a move out and where they would like to see him playing.

rangers signed emerson hyndman on loan the other day, he's a midfielder

 

[depps]

rangers signed emerson hyndman on loan the other day, he's a midfielder

I don't think Jack would be too enthusiastic about the prospect of going to Rangers anyway!!

It's unfortunate that the Blackburn move didn't work out for him and I think the club and he himself need to be very careful about next steps now - another bad loan could really set him back and I think he'd be better served by training with the first team here than that, and training with Pep for the next 6 months may actually be better than any loan if he managed to get even one or two appearances off the bench.

I don't think the club can be blamed here really though. All the reports during the summer were that it was Jack himself pushing for the loan and wanted to go early to get bedded down and secure a first team place there. With hindsight that was a big mistake and he should have spent pre-season with Pep before any decision was made on a loan. He's still a young lad though so hopefully is learning from all of this.

If he does go out on loan again it has to be to somewhere we are confident he will play. NYC wouldn't be a bad shout if that can be made to work within their squad rules. Girona or a return to the Netherlands (where he is highly regarded) would be the other options I would look at if I was him or the club.

 

[Eslam elcity]

I heard that loaning Byrne ti Dundee is Unlikely , he will be loaned to Holland Esp Heerenveen , also Dundalk made a Strong loan deal .