Is it time to panic yet?

BLUEMATT23 said:
He just looks fed up and fucked off.
I just think he's probably thinking that he can't implement his style in this league with our Dad's Army.
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Talking of which......
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....but have we been had ?
 
windymiller44 said:
I thought the whole point of a forum was for people to express their personal views. Your comment for someone to "shut up.." just because you don't agree with them is pathetic.

As for panicking now, we have to stick with Guardiola for at least his three year contract and to not do so would be crazy. But don't forget criticism can be constructive....pretending everything is okay is much more dangerous. The reality is that people criticised both Mancini and Pelligrini, but so far under Guardiola, NOTHING has improved. Our league position so far is worse than last season's finish; our points total is inferior too. We have an inferior goalkeeper and key players....Aguero, Silva, Toure etc are consistently underperforming. Our possession tactics again cost us goals today.....there is not yet one shred of evidence of improvement on last season. I think things will get sorted and improve, but the question is when? We can only pass judgement on what we have seen so far.
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His post was pathetic,he needs to man up or support someone else,i can't be doing with that kind of post
 
If we lose to Spurs, then it will be time to start thinking about maybe panicking.
 
karen7 said:
His post was pathetic,he needs to man up or support someone else,i can't be doing with that kind of post
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The place is full of it today. We do need to move some of the old guard on, but that's not something Guardiola can do straight away, especially if we don't have replacements. We're probably not far off where I thought we'd be, I reckoned 10 points behind the leaders at the start of January. That said, I am definitely concerned about our defence - it's shite.
 
No panic but my god we are so poor defensively....

You can blame individuals for certain BUT we are so shit as a team defensively and that falls on Pep......unless he changes what he does he won't succeed here.....you cannot go all out attack playing with a raft of attacking midfielders as well as asking your fullbacks to play so high up the pitch and expect to get anything against even the average team in the premiership

Make no bones about it...everton weren't even that good and they have scored 4 past us quite easily...they didnt even have to work hard at scoring...it was easy....The defended as a team and then hit when they saw openings.....

We don't have the players to defend one on one all the time...none are capable or even 3vs 3.

Pep needs to go back to the drawing board and start with looking at how his teams defends...he needs to get us defending as a team not as individuals as he wants at present as it simply won't ever work.

Every team we play against baring a few (liverpool Arsenal and Spurs) will do what everton did today...hope or away.....the average to good teams have the attackers to make us pay as we did today

Forget not scoring goals at present (though a lack of creativity is a real problem with only silva looking anything near)....we need to look at how we defend as a team....

I don't even think the return of a fully fit (if that was to ever happen) Kompany will make any difference.....as good as he is he cant stem that tide of consistent one on ones with defenders when the attackers have yds and yds of space to run into......

The balance in the midfield isn't anywhere near right...for me KDB needs to be dropped...poor for months now baring one or two glimpses....bring in fernando and ferna (when not banned) and make us more solid

If Pep doesn't do this then we won't get 4th
 
malg said:
The place is full of it today. We do need to move some of the old guard on, but that's not something Guardiola can do straight away, especially if we don't have replacements.
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You're right, but we've had 4+ years to plan and prepare for Pep's arrival, and yet we haven't addressed the squad's shortcomings. I'd imagine Pep is quietly disgruntled with just how poor parts of the squad he's inherited are, and annoyed at the lack of action before him to put that right.
 
Just think he needs to concentrate on himself and the team, as apposed to slagging the fans off for the atmosphere or when they leave etc,
He comes across as a total bellend in my opinion, and I am one of the most avid fans of his and I am utterly desperate for him to succeed

Ive said before how awkward I first felt when he spoke because I was constantly hoping we lived up to his expectations and wanted him to love everything about being our manager, but now I just do not care at all
He has to bring some sort of improvement to the side and implement some proper ideas, not these hashed up plans with chopping and changing every week for the sake of looking clever
I am totally staggered at his persistence with not playing youth though. Everton had 2 kids in their side today and they were so passionate and buy into the fans, which gets the atmosphere going
If he wants us to be noisier, maybe give the hungry young lads a chance, and not lazily stick by the same losers who have let us down for the past 2 years..
 
malg said:
The place is full of it today. We do need to move some of the old guard on, but that's not something Guardiola can do straight away, especially if we don't have replacements. We're probably not far off where I thought we'd be, I reckoned 10 points behind the leaders at the start of January. That said, I am definitely concerned about our defence - it's shite.
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Saying that the players are old is deflecting from he real problem though......we can play better than this and be more slid with the players we have....btu Pep is getting it horribly wrong at present.....not with the players he is picking but with what he is asking them to do...they simply cannot do it .......ottomendi, stones, clichy cant defend one one ones all the time, yaya has no defensive awareness (especially behind him) and never has had.....kdb cant defend from the front...he is appalling at it, Kun is no good dropping deep..it negates any goal threat he has........and the bravo experiment needs to be binned...an absolute cluster fuck by Pep that one.....He may be good with distribution but the way teams are playing against us it doesn't matter....we don't need a keeper who is good with his feet as very few if any teams are really pressing that high...they are pressing around the half way line and winning the ball back while our midfield and full backs are too busy thinking about pushing forward and then making simple passes into the yawning gapping gaps left there....simple passes...nothing eye of a needle...really simple......
 
quiet_riot said:
You're right, but we've had 4+ years to plan and prepare for Pep's arrival, and yet we haven't addressed the squad's shortcomings. I'd imagine Pep is quietly disgruntled with just how poor parts of the squad he's inherited are, and annoyed at the lack of action before him to put that right.
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I bet he can't believe how bad some of our squad really are.
 
quiet_riot said:
You're right, but we've had 4+ years to plan and prepare for Pep's arrival, and yet we haven't addressed the squad's shortcomings. I'd imagine Pep is quietly disgruntled with just how poor parts of the squad he's inherited are, and annoyed at the lack of action before him to put that right.
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Yet he is advocating contract extensions for
some of the old guard! It's unbelievable
 
There's more days like this to come this season. Not only are we now struggling to get wins against teams in the top half, we are actually struggling to not be on the end of embarrassing scorelines. It's a huge problem with this group of players and has been evident as far back as the 4-1 away to Spurs last season. All that Bravo and Stones have done is add to the chaos.

Off the top of my head we have been 3 or 4 down against the following over the last 15 months....

Spurs
Liverpool - should have been 6 really
Leicester x2
Southampton
Everton

Let that sink in.
 
malg said:
The place is full of it today. We do need to move some of the old guard on, but that's not something Guardiola can do straight away, especially if we don't have replacements. We're probably not far off where I thought we'd be, I reckoned 10 points behind the leaders at the start of January. That said, I am definitely concerned about our defence - it's shite.
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I think there could be some questions asked about the signings which for £150m we have certainly not had anything like value for money so far. Surely we should have been buying better than this for the cash spent. I can't believe someone with his Pedigree wouldn't know just how crap clichy and Kolorov are as left backs for example. I can't understand why we haven't brought a defender in on 1 Jan. Does he really think these are good enough? There must be someone out there who could do a job.
 
simon23 said:
...they are pressing around the half way line and winning the ball back while our midfield and full backs are too busy thinking about pushing forward and then making simple passes into the yawning gapping gaps left there....simple passes...nothing eye of a needle...really simple......
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This is it for me. I can't really remember a particularly brilliant goal scored against us this season (I'm sure there have been some), but the number of supremely easy goals given away has been shameful. Hell, even against West Ham, which was probably our best performance this season, we gave them an open goal at 1-0. Had that gone in, it could have been very different.
 
simon23 said:
Saying that the players are old is deflecting from he real problem though......we can play better than this and be more slid with the players we have....btu Pep is getting it horribly wrong at present.....not with the players he is picking but with what he is asking them to do...they simply cannot do it .......ottomendi, stones, clichy cant defend one one ones all the time, yaya has no defensive awareness (especially behind him) and never has had.....kdb cant defend from the front...he is appalling at it, Kun is no good dropping deep..it negates any goal threat he has........and the bravo experiment needs to be binned...an absolute cluster fuck by Pep that one.....He may be good with distribution but the way teams are playing against us it doesn't matter....we don't need a keeper who is good with his feet as very few if any teams are really pressing that high...they are pressing around the half way line and winning the ball back while our midfield and full backs are too busy thinking about pushing forward and then making simple passes into the yawning gapping gaps left there....simple passes...nothing eye of a needle...really simple......
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Couldn't agree more. How simple were the goals they scored.
 
Just wait till after the Spuds dick us. They were the first team who figured out how to beat us and ended our unbeaten run at the start of the season. They are playing twice as good now, I'm expecting a cricket score.
 
Back of an envelope but we have to beat Spurs to stay where we are, I can't see Arsenal being turned over by Burnley at the Emirates and with our dreadful goal difference a win against Spurs will see us no better than fifth.

When was the last time we scored as few goals as we are doing now? Not helped of course by shipping them out the back, but even in Pellers final dog days we were scoring more than this.
 
Bit of time to reflect and it's hard to take anything positive out of that. We dominated that first half and if Silva or Sterling takes their chances then it's a very different game. However, this feels like the same thing we are saying over and over again, it's like they are told not to shoot when near the goal. It pains me to say it, but I think this is silvas last season. He is wonderful when we are playing well and winning, but for me he should be scoring so many more and it's hurting us big time. KDB is an absolute luxury and for me crumbled in that game, needs to earn his crust more when things aren't going well.

Everyone will state the goalie and back 4 which is the obvious problems, but for me it's a problem throughout the team. Chelsea, Everton home, middlesborough, Everton away all lost / drawn partly due to our inability to take chances.
 
Of course it's time to panic. Especially when the manager is sat on tv saying. I'd like to know also. He hasn't a scooby
 
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