Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

Jazzman said:
I don't think you can blame everything on Bravo though. If anything I think we have seen how small the difference between success and failure is when trying to play Pep-football.
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Indeed, the biggest difference between West Ham and Everton was that we didn't take our chances and it made our lot unsettled. Lets not forget West Ham missed an open goal, and who knows how they'd have reacted to scoring that as opposed to going 2-0 down seconds later.

If we put away our chances, Everton would have been 3-0 down and thinking about the showers before Lukaku's goal goes in, and our defenders would have been playing with confidence instead of becoming increasingly nervous.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Thoughts if he doesn't finish top 4? I respect the man but if we end up finishing something ridiculous like 6th I'm not sure he deserves an extension? I expect to be castrated for saying that but hey ho
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We'll win the CL, finish 5th and dump the rags into the Europa.

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Too early to say if this is good news or bad.

I am prepared to give Pep the benefit of the doubt as he has been to a large extent hamstrung with some truly appalling team building by his friend Txiki. I am truly amazed at how Txiki has allowed the FB position to remain as it is. The ageing midfield also has been overlooked.

I would however like to know what Pep's views on last summer's transfer window were. The Nolito transfer is confusing as it was said he was a Pep type, yet he hardly gets a look in. Sane is young but has shown enough to surely get more game time.

As for Pep himself. I think we need to be realistic. Soriano and Txiki sold him to Mansoor as the best manager in the world. Why else would we put the club on hold for 3 years. To my mind he clearly isn't. The three CL semi final humiliations in their in own way highlighted his flaws just as the endless poor european nights highlighted Mancini's.

One thing you could say about Mancini is he seemed to fit the club. We were serial bottlers before he arrived but the way we took United apart at OT showed he didn't give a fuck how many titles Ferguson had won. His arrogance was no doubt part of that. Great manager no way. Right man at the right time definitely.

It is difficult to read Pep's emotions at the moment. Is he bored, stressed, bewildered. Obviously he is a way better coach than the previous two men at the helm. That does not necessarily mean he is a better fit. A lot will depend on his own attitude to the job. Is he hungry?

To have one of the elite coaches at the club for the next four seasons or whatever would be a major plus. We do have the money to back him.

Hopefully Pep will be a better judge of outfield players than he is goalkeepers!
 
domalino said:
Indeed, the biggest difference between West Ham and Everton was that we didn't take our chances and it made our lot unsettled. Lets not forget West Ham missed an open goal, and who knows how they'd have reacted to scoring that as opposed to going 2-0 down seconds later.

If we put away our chances, Everton would have been 3-0 down and thinking about the showers before Lukaku's goal goes in, and our defenders would have been playing with confidence instead of becoming increasingly nervous.
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But the problem is you could say the same thing about the home games against the blue dippers,saints,boro and chavs.
When it's a one off you can claim bad luck,rub of the green etc.
When it becomes a pattern then that is indicative of a more fundamental problem with the team.
And boy do we have one at the moment.
 
domalino said:
Indeed, the biggest difference between West Ham and Everton was that we didn't take our chances and it made our lot unsettled. Lets not forget West Ham missed an open goal, and who knows how they'd have reacted to scoring that as opposed to going 2-0 down seconds later.

If we put away our chances, Everton would have been 3-0 down and thinking about the showers before Lukaku's goal goes in, and our defenders would have been playing with confidence instead of becoming increasingly nervous.
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I agree, but having said that I am starting to doubt that Bravo will come good. It would be really nice to have a keeper who would actually make a save every now and and then. I know it is unfair, but at the moment I have the feeling that every bloody shot on target is a goal. If he never makes a save we could also just put a 11th field player in goal.
 
Jazzman said:
I agree, but having said that I am starting to doubt that Bravo will come good. It would be really nice to have a keeper who would actually make a save every now and and then. I know it is unfair, but at the moment I have the feeling that every bloody shot on target is a goal. If he never makes a save we could also just put a 11th field player in goal.
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I have the same feeling.
Dippers came away with a hard earned draw at the swamp. When they were one up their defense came under the cosh and were struggling ( like us) but Mignolet pulled off two great saves to preserve their lead.
Had that been us I can't help thinking that we would have gone 2-1 down and probably game over.
 
GortonBlue62 said:
We are underachieving.
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Are we? According to many, including the post-match pundits yesterday, this is likely the level one would expect from our aging squad and we have, if anything, played above it.

My 'definitions' are just opinions; like everything else posted on a forum; they are no more relevant or irrelevant than anyone else's.
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I don't disagree, only you seem to think the club should adopt your method of grading the worth of a manager. To make it worse, you're doing so in a thread that actually shows the club heading in completely the opposite direction to you.

At the match I support the team; negativity has no place in the stadium (home or away).
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That's nice.

On a forum I'm entitled to give an opinion.
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And I'm entitled to call out your serial negativity for what it is and suggest maybe you need to do more of the stadium and less of the forum.

My opinions differ from yours - your problem not mine.
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I'd say if you really believe your misguided opinions, and your continued predictably negative appearances in every positive thread here suggests you do, that it would indeed be your problem if the club are doubling down on their current course.

My opinions are based on the evidence we are being presented with; yours seem to be based on nothing more than hope and blind faith.
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What evidence?

That Pep has only been at the club half a season is a fact. That his style of play takes time for players to adapt to, is indisputable (Javier Mascerano said it took him two years, and do we have anyone who is on the level he was on at that time?) That we have an aging core in our squad who are all nearing the end of the line, further enhanced by years of tactical and zonal ineptitude from Pellegrini coaching, is the reality.

All I see from you is moaning, endless fucking moaning. BlueMoan they call it. We are damn privileged to have the best owners in the world who are signing up for us, long term, one of the consensus best coaches in the sport. They deserve our support for this, but no, you won't even give them and him a fucking year. If you can't see how/why you're being ridiculous and completely unreasonable, never mind a killjoy, then I'm done even trying.
 
Jazzman said:
I agree, but having said that I am starting to doubt that Bravo will come good. It would be really nice to have a keeper who would actually make a save every now and and then. I know it is unfair, but at the moment I have the feeling that every bloody shot on target is a goal. If he never makes a save we could also just put a 11th field player in goal.
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I understand the decision to replace Hart but I've also started to doubt whether or not Bravo will come good. For all his faults though, I think using the shots/goals ratio against him is a little bit harsh. A lot of the goals we're conceding seem to come as a result of us being completely carved open by the opposition after some extremely sloppy play in our own half. These aren't speculative shots on goal he's having to face, they're golden opportunities handed to our opponents due to the failings of our outfield players. He hasn't particularly impressed me and he doesn't seem commanding enough in the box, but the goals we're letting in aren't all his fault either.
 
At the end of the day, he could have done better in some aspects. But every great manager makes mistakes, especially in recruitment. He has won it all, as player and manager and has probably forgotten more about football than i have ever known. So im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt :-)
 
geoff clipp said:
I understand the decision to replace Hart but I've also started to doubt whether or not Bravo will come good. For all his faults though, I think using the shots/goals ratio against him is a little bit harsh. A lot of the goals we're conceding seem to come as a result of us being completely carved open by the opposition after some extremely sloppy play in our own half. These aren't speculative shots on goal he's having to face, they're golden opportunities handed to our opponents due to the failings of our outfield players. He hasn't particularly impressed me and he doesn't seem commanding enough in the box, but the goals we're letting in aren't all his fault either.
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Yep. I dont question the decision to let hart go, but the recruitment of bravo is looking like its not working out at the moment. Apart from the derby, he started well, so hopefully when tue rest of the team play better, his confidence will shoot up. We cannot doubt pep based on one dodgy signing, its ridiculous
 
geoff clipp said:
I understand the decision to replace Hart but I've also started to doubt whether or not Bravo will come good. For all his faults though, I think using the shots/goals ratio against him is a little bit harsh. A lot of the goals we're conceding seem to come as a result of us being completely carved open by the opposition after some extremely sloppy play in our own half. These aren't speculative shots on goal he's having to face, they're golden opportunities handed to our opponents due to the failings of our outfield players. He hasn't particularly impressed me and he doesn't seem commanding enough in the box, but the goals we're letting in aren't all his fault either.
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I've been a big supporter of Bravo, and the reasons he's here. For now I still am. But taken in isolation nearly all the goals he's conceded are probably more down to others making mistakes, however I am starting to wonder, as just by the law of averages you would expect one or two saves.
That said he deserves a chance behind whatever our new defence and central midfield look like next season, especially as his playing out will look a lot more effective with the right players in front of him. Just because a new signing doesn't work though don't make the reasons behind it wrong. I'm still 100% behind Pep and hopeful for big things ahead.
 
geoff clipp said:
I understand the decision to replace Hart but I've also started to doubt whether or not Bravo will come good. For all his faults though, I think using the shots/goals ratio against him is a little bit harsh. A lot of the goals we're conceding seem to come as a result of us being completely carved open by the opposition after some extremely sloppy play in our own half. These aren't speculative shots on goal he's having to face, they're golden opportunities handed to our opponents due to the failings of our outfield players. He hasn't particularly impressed me and he doesn't seem commanding enough in the box, but the goals we're letting in aren't all his fault either.
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Right you are mate. My statements were unfair against Bravo.
Still, the difference between a good and a great goalie is that the great one will save a 100%er every now and then. Bravo seems low on confidence and the shots just go in at the moment, often without one can seriously blame him for making a mistake. Maybe it really is time to give Willy a few games on the trot. It can hardly get worse can it?
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
Yep. I dont question the decision to let hart go, but the recruitment of bravo is looking like its not working out at the moment. Apart from the derby, he started well, so hopefully when tue rest of the team play better, his confidence will shoot up. We cannot doubt pep based on one dodgy signing, its ridiculous
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Going off some people on here we should doubt pep because we are not top of league
 
Akiva said:
Are we? According to many, including the post-match pundits yesterday, this is likely the level one would expect from our aging squad and we have, if anything, played above it.



I don't disagree, only you seem to think the club should adopt your method of grading the worth of a manager. To make it worse, you're doing so in a thread that actually shows the club heading in completely the opposite direction to you.



That's nice.



And I'm entitled to call out your serial negativity for what it is and suggest maybe you need to do more of the stadium and less of the forum.



I'd say if you really believe your misguided opinions, and your continued predictably negative appearances in every positive thread here suggests you do, that it would indeed be your problem if the club are doubling down on their current course.



What evidence?

That Pep has only been at the club half a season is a fact. That his style of play takes time for players to adapt to, is indisputable (Javier Mascerano said it took him two years, and do we have anyone who is on the level he was on at that time?) That we have an aging core in our squad who are all nearing the end of the line, further enhanced by years of tactical and zonal ineptitude from Pellegrini coaching, is the reality.

All I see from you is moaning, endless fucking moaning. BlueMoan they call it. We are damn privileged to have the best owners in the world who are signing up for us, long term, one of the consensus best coaches in the sport. They deserve our support for this, but no, you won't even give them and him a fucking year. If you can't see how/why you're being ridiculous and completely unreasonable, never mind a killjoy, then I'm done even trying.
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"Aging squad" - can't get away from this phrase today - I'm guessing you heard it on talk shite / sky / 909 and decided you'd repeat it ad nauseam ad infinitum; makes sense really, your opinions seem to be of the mainstream unexamined variety. Not much original thinking here. I'm guessing nobody every accused you of being an intellectual.

I'm not negative. Reread my opinions. I'm suggesting that Pep is not God and if he can't deliver, he goes. Why does that upset you so much? It's simple common sense.
 
Sheriff Fatman said:
What about the same fuck you to the long term fans?

This is at completely the wrong time and without getting into what he did at Barca and Bayern, what's written in a book and what he should be doing, what have I somehow missed in the time he's been here that merits this? Factual answers only please, not blind optimism and God, do I want to be wrong on this.

So far, with the odd exception, the lack of the Emperors' new clothes is what I see.
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Your completely right of course, Fuck it lets sack him and get fat Sam in as he knows how the prem works
 
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