Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

[Paulpowersleftfoot]

he's not good enough, never has been. totally wrong for the premier league. I think its pretty clear that our defence is all over the place and we will get shots on goal. well as this is his weakest area he shouldn't be our keeper. his fancy footwork will not save the ball going in to our goal.

so what do we do?

first thing is take him out of the firing line and put willy in. it can't be doing him any good watching 4 goals fly past him every 5 mins. let him see what its all about from the side lines, I wouldn't even bench him I'd leave him out altogether whist he as a person and as a keeper regroups. if he is homesick then let the lad go. perhaps give him the cup games to keep his hand in and put him in the shop window, shouldn't need to with his (ex) status in the game but I can't believe anyone would buy him right now for decent money.

it was worth a try but it hasn't paid off and it never will.

next.

Which shopwindow do you propose,Netto?

 

[waspish]

He is 33 his feet and mind aint quick enough.

 

[BlueAnorak]

he's not good enough, never has been. totally wrong for the premier league. I think its pretty clear that our defence is all over the place and we will get shots on goal. well as this is his weakest area he shouldn't be our keeper. his fancy footwork will not save the ball going in to our goal.

so what do we do?

first thing is take him out of the firing line and put willy in. it can't be doing him any good watching 4 goals fly past him every 5 mins. let him see what its all about from the side lines, I wouldn't even bench him I'd leave him out altogether whist he as a person and as a keeper regroups. if he is homesick then let the lad go. perhaps give him the cup games to keep his hand in and put him in the shop window, shouldn't need to with his (ex) status in the game but I can't believe anyone would buy him right now for decent money.

it was worth a try but it hasn't paid off and it never will.

next.

This.
But there's more.
1. His approach to saving running shots and one-on-ones is diabolical. He doesn't close the angles down at all, or make himself big. Hence he doesn't save any of them.
2. His command of his defence is simply non-existant. Defenders must have zero confidence in him so make rash challenges or panic. As to direction of his defenders, it is non existent.

He needs to be withdrawn at the very least, preferably shipped out this window as he will NEVER make it in the Premier League.

 

[meeesh]

I generally await till the next morning to allow all the haters, flappers and general angst to settle, you should try it.

My views on Bravo.
Did he have a poor game yesterday? - yes as did most
Is he responsible for that loss? - No, he contributed to the loss as did most
Is he a good keeper and yet to find his feet? - definitely and probably
Does he deserve time to develop with the team learning a new system? - absolutely
Would we be any better off retaining the services of Hart? - can never be proven, but most haters still seem to assert yes
Is he an upgrade on Hart? - IMO yes and will get steadily better with time and a settled team
Are posters who attend matches supporting him and then ripping him up for arse paper on here rather hypocritical? - I'll let you answer that
Do haters make stuff up to try and strengthen their bias? for sure.

I appreciate you and others have already made your mind up about him rightly or wrongly. He will probably play on Sat which says a lot about the confidence, not only pep has in him, but also the coaching staff too.

I have no issue with a differing opinion as that's what makes the world go round, but whilst he is here, he gets my support at the games and on here, when I feel he is being made a scapegoat.

I'm not sure how you can say though that he is the big problem, because surely if you and others can see it, then surely Pep and the coaching staff can also see it, yet they persist in picking him. Is that not the big problem? gen question btw.

You are never ever gonna back down,I'm not expecting Willy to start on Saturday,but that will be purely down to the manager having faith in his signing,stubborn none the less to the highest degree

 

[Bill]

Which shopwindow do you propose,Netto?

a little harsh but it wont be Harrods.
he's the Phil Neville of keepers, been very lucky collecting medals that his team mates have won for him. only now is he being tested (our fault not his) and he's not up to it. sad but that is how it is.

 

[jaiguruKun]

A player who turns his back on the ball does not deserve any support. Pathetic!

I don't buy all this "not right for the Premier League" stuff. If anything his command of the area and dealing with high balls, whilst not great, is better than the other areas of his game. The big one letting him down is his total inability to save any shot that isn't straight at him. From what I've seen of other leagues they also shoot and sometimes they do it quite well, even better than teams in this country would you believe.

 

[BlueS]

a little harsh but it wont be Harrods.
he's the Phil Neville of keepers, been very lucky collecting medals that his team mates have won for him. only now is he being tested (our fault not his) and he's not up to it. sad but that is how it is.

Could have made a happy crew Hart, Bravo, Caballero

(as could have Tevez, Aguero)

 

[BlueAnorak]

I generally await till the next morning to allow all the haters, flappers and general angst to settle, you should try it.

My views on Bravo.
Did he have a poor game yesterday? - yes as did most
Is he responsible for that loss? - No, he contributed to the loss as did most
Is he a good keeper and yet to find his feet? - definitely and probably
Does he deserve time to develop with the team learning a new system? - absolutely
Would we be any better off retaining the services of Hart? - can never be proven, but most haters still seem to assert yes
Is he an upgrade on Hart? - IMO yes and will get steadily better with time and a settled team
Are posters who attend matches supporting him and then ripping him up for arse paper on here rather hypocritical? - I'll let you answer that
Do haters make stuff up to try and strengthen their bias? for sure.

I appreciate you and others have already made your mind up about him rightly or wrongly. He will probably play on Sat which says a lot about the confidence, not only pep has in him, but also the coaching staff too.

I have no issue with a differing opinion as that's what makes the world go round, but whilst he is here, he gets my support at the games and on here, when I feel he is being made a scapegoat.

I'm not sure how you can say though that he is the big problem, because surely if you and others can see it, then surely Pep and the coaching staff can also see it, yet they persist in picking him. Is that not the big problem? gen question btw.

Delusional.
Upgrade on Hart?
Passing: Yes.
As Keeper: The worst we've had since Martyn Margetson - so major regression.
As to backing him at a match, you have a serious problem if you think forum opinion = matchplay support. 95% of match day support would back him at any game. They'd put their heads in their hands when he next messes up mind, and sadly, he will.

 

[steviemc]

This.
But there's more.
1. His approach to saving running shots and one-on-ones is diabolical. he doesn't close the angles down at al, or make himself big. Hence he doesn't save any of them.
2. His command of his defence is simply non-existant. Defenders must have zero confidence in him so make rash challenges.

He needs to be withdrawn at the very least, referably shipped out this window as he will NEVER make it in the Premier League.

Fair comment, apart form the part about defenders. I wish people would stop using this idiotic reasoning that a defender misses a tackle, makes a rash challenge or is out of position when an attacker is bearing down on him, because he's 'worried about the goalkeeper'. That's absoulte bollocks I'm afraid.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

yeah but,
if you'd have asked anyone what position needed urgent attention, the goalkeeper spot would have been near bottom of the list.

it shouldn't be an issue.

Totally agree, I said on here last Spring that Pep would be mad to even think about changing keeper when there were so many more pressing concerns. Don't get me wrong, I think Bravo has been pretty shit all things considered, I just think too many people are concentrating their attentions on him when the problem that really needs resolving is to not to be so open to counter attacks which IMO is probably a systemic failure. It's difficult to think the personnel have helped much but we seem to have tried enough defenders in recent years and they all look more or less as bad as each other in what has been all out attack and a high defensive line for a few years. We get a new keeper we will concede one or two fewer goals which is obviously a good thing but we still won't genuinely compete for the big prizes IMO.

 

[mosssideblue]

You are never ever gonna back down,I'm not expecting Willy to start on Saturday,but that will be purely down to the manager having faith in his signing,stubborn none the less to the highest degree

Yes I would back down, but only after a reasonable period of time, which for me is at least a season and by that time, I suspect I wont have to

 

[mosssideblue]

Delusional.
Upgrade on Hart?
Passing: Yes.
As Keeper: The worst we've had since Martyn Margetson - so major regression.
As to backing him at a match, you have a serious problem if you think forum opinion = matchplay support. 95% of match day support would back him at any game. They'd put their heads in their hands when he next messes up mind, and sadly, he will.

Your opinion. Forgive me if I have a little more faith in the Chillean National Coach, Barcelona Coach and Pep

edit: and patience

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I fear that even Pep might fall into the trap most managers do, ie let your ego rule your head. He made a statement dropping Hart and bringing in Bravo. No player should be undroppable. Yesterday he had a shocker, but so did most of our defence, he drops and rotates them regularly, too regularly imho as we need a setlled defence in many ways but Bravo seems to be unstoppable. I can't recall willy having such a bad day at the office, possibly community shield vs the Arse aside.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

If Bravo starts against Spurs then what it confirms Pep's judgement is so clouded that he is incapable of putting the good of the team ahead of personal pride.

Or maybe bravo will perform brilliantly in training? Maybe willy will be poor? Or maybe he genuinely believes that bravo is the better option? But no, lets blame the foreign ponce. How dare this suave, arrogant manager come to our football club and eject our blonde haired blue eyed english hero.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Your opinion. Forgive me if I have a little more faith in the Chillean National Coach, Barcelona Coach and Pep

edit: and patience

Every manager makes mistakes and getting Bravo rather than someone else is a pretty big one. The mark of the best managers is to realise a mistake and deal with it.
As to my opinion, well I did continually ask in the summer why we hadn't bought new fullbacks or most importantly a proper DM. Then again it's not even simple rocket science let alone more complex rocket engineering to understand what our major problems were going to be.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

Also, he isnt the worst keper you have ever seen. Just dont. Youre embarassing yourself. The guy was world class, and he has had some very good games for us. He might not have proved it for city, but he is a top keeper. Unless he has turned shit overnight, whch would be just our bloody luck

 

[mosssideblue]

Every manager makes mistakes and getting Bravo rather than someone else is a pretty big one. The mark of the best managers is to realise a mistake and deal with it.
As to my opinion, well I did continually ask in the summer why we hadn't bought new fullbacks or most importantly a proper DM. Then again it's not even simple rocket science let alone more complex rocket engineering to understand what our major problems were going to be.

Of course every manager can and does make mistakes. But he was rated and selected by not one, but three top coaches so he obviously has it in his locker - would you agree to that? If so, then surely the best course of action will be to give him time (I know people are impatient and wanting us to win everything straight away, but that isn't reality), to work with a settled team and settled defence in a new country, because I'm sure pep will

 

[kaz7]

Also, he isnt the worst keper you have ever seen. Just dont. Youre embarassing yourself. The guy was world class, and he has had some very good games for us. He might not have proved it for city, but he is a top keeper. Unless he has turned shit overnight, whch would be just our bloody luck

Us oldies have seen some pretty shit keepers,he has not proved he is even an average keeper in a blue shirt,he is bottom of the list of keepers in the prem (you'll have to look back a few pages for that) some moves just don't work out,pep willl probably stick with him and that's his choice,he is his man but don't expect posters to like it

 

[mosssideblue]

I fear that even Pep might fall into the trap most managers do, ie let your ego rule your head. He made a statement dropping Hart and bringing in Bravo. No player should be undroppable. Yesterday he had a shocker, but so did most of our defence, he drops and rotates them regularly, too regularly imho as we need a setlled defence in many ways but Bravo seems to be unstoppable. I can't recall willy having such a bad day at the office, possibly community shield vs the Arse aside.

Mate, do you genuinely feel Pep has reached the coaching heights he has by letting his ego rule his head.

 

[jaiguruKun]

Or maybe bravo will perform brilliantly in training? Maybe willy will be poor? Or maybe he genuinely believes that bravo is the better option? But no, lets blame the foreign ponce. How dare this suave, arrogant manager come to our football club and eject our blonde haired blue eyed english hero.

It's nothing to do with Hart, it's gone way beyond that now. If Bravo had performed anything like the standard required it wouldn't be an issue. He's been atrocious for weeks and we have an alternative who has performed far better this season when selected. It's a fucking no brainer.