It's quite simple to sort this out.
Drop him. Play willy for 5 games. See where we are then.
If we still ship almost 4 goals a game then we hold our hands up and say he's as good as we have and put him in for his footwork. It's no better than willy's but the bravo happy clappers will be pleased.
My guess is we'll win all five games.
He needs to be dropped I would have thought even most of Bravo's biggest fans would accept that. I will find it a bit worrying if Pep just keeps on picking him week after week, it'll show a level of stubbornness that isn't helpful in the slightest. I think Mancini continuing to give Mario chances when it had got to the point where he didn't deserve them probably didn't help Mancini's standing in the dressing room, if Pep does the same with Bravo then it could be the thin end of the wedge especially when he has ditched a keeper who has done little wrong without even giving him a chance.It's quite simple to sort this out.
Drop him. Play willy for 5 games. See where we are then.
If we still ship almost 4 goals a game then we hold our hands up and say he's as good as we have and put him in for his footwork. It's no better than willy's but the bravo happy clappers will be pleased.
My guess is we'll win all five games.
In footballing terms the logic seemed arse about face to me, but as many have said I don't think the decision was made purely for footballing reasonsWe're on the same page, I was of the same opinion in the summer.
I won't change my mind, I have looked back plenty trying to figure out why people are so critical.
Stop putting words in my mouth, I said top keepers save them every now and again, then went on to say Bravo has proved he is capable in the past.
Nothing ridiculous about it, his name has been booed when read out, he's met with groans when a player passes to him and recently he's been sarcastically applauded when catching a ball.
Go on then enlighten me, which argument did I lose ?And there you go again,lose the argument and resort to being clever,fair play to you lad,fair play
Go on then enlighten me, which argument did I lose ?
whether you like it or not there are people too proud to back down on this. I call them happy clappers. hardly murder is it.I'd go along with that.
But there's no need for the happy clapper bullshit, all it serves to do is antagonise when people are trying to debate.
We may win all five but let's not forget that in our first three we didn't keep a clean sheet and they were all one chance one goal in them games too because of the type of chance they were.
I'm not asking you to change your mind,or putting words in your mouth,however I've yet to hear a boo when his name is read out,well at home,I don't go away,don't think they are groans when he's passed to,it's more a case of,shit,what's he gonna do now,which poor bastard is he gonna put under pressure now,,and as for sarcastic cheers when he does catch or stop the ball,I agree is pretty poor form from certain fans,but you know somert we are world renown for taking the piss out of ourselves as fans,and that will never change I'm afraid.
Must admit though I'm at a halfway point here with you,I'm trying to understand whether you rate him,or glad he is in our goals,a Hart hater,or you are simply just backing one of our players,but deep down know he ain't upto it,and that is not a slight at you,I just read some of your other comments and can't decide which road you are on
whether you like it or not there are people too proud to back down on this. I call them happy clappers. hardly murder is it.
anyone in their heart of hearts can see the guy isn't doing it. they should just hold their hands up .
just thought, bet one of them is Pep posting on here.
i'll re write it from now on.It's not murder no, that doesn't make it any less antagonising though, surely you can see that Bill?
Sorry mate but you saying that's it's good to see that I don't think he's a good keeper is trying to put words in my mouth.
From day one them groans were clearly audible. The boos when his name was read out, the first game I noticed it was Boro.
Where I'm at is I believe he's a top keeper that is struggling for form. I accept the argument that he may not be suited to this league and he may never settle, it happens, there's been numerous players that have come from other European leagues with big reputations and for whatever reason they haven't reproduced what they're capable of, actually scratch that ( I'm sounding like a little englander ), there's been plenty of players with big reputations that haven't reproduced when they've moved clubs whether in the same country or not. I'm still holding out hope for our sake that he can turn it around because if he can reproduce for City what he has been doing over the last few years then we have a world class keeper on our hands.
As for Hart, City legend, will always think fondly of him and supported him while he was here and defended him against some of the shit he used to receive off City fans too. However I accept that when a new manager comes in he may not fancy a player no matter what their reputation and whilst a bit miffed at the decision to replace him, you just have to get on with it.
It's you that rated a defenders opinion on goal keeping maters above that of an internation goal keeps, that was the only point I was making, unfortunately you missed thatThat you suggested that I thought Carra was a top keeper ??? When did I say that,I didn't but you made the initial point,so when I defended my comments you tried to shoot me down,but missed
I ain't arguing with you mate it's a debate and if you fall into the category like Rolee then fair enough,this thread will need re visiting at a later date,when some will be made to eat humble pie
i'll re write it from now on.
what can I call them though.
bravo fans?
bravo?
Pep?
come on help me out here :)
It's you that rated a defenders opinion on goal keeping maters above that of an internation goal keeps, that was the only point I was making, unfortunately you missed that
he makes some good points here. bravo isn't saving anything.
The bloke was getting ironic jeers from his own fans from pretty much the start of his career with us.
He's getting the overwhelming criticism for City's failings because he isn't pulling off world class saves - given the other glaring problems we have that's completely disproportionate.
We played well for 25 minutes against Everton and it was all due to keeping the ball and playing it out from the back - something Bravo played a significant part in.
But it isn't his fault we miss three or four guilt edged chances. It isn't his fault clichy gives the ball away twice. It isn't his fault that Otamendi stands around ball watching. But he gets the blame for not saving a shot from lukaku that's blasted past him from 12 yards.
Carragher said "de gea would have saved that". Well actually in the first six months at united when he was getting used to a new team and new league he couldn't catch a cold. He made far, far worse mistakes than Bravo has made.
Bravo isn't faultless - I'm not suggesting for a second that is - but it's the disproportionate nature of the critcism he's getting that's a bit of a joke. He's becoming scapegoat because people would rather blame him than blame Guardiola for the fact we play out from the back at all costs. People would rather blame him than blame guardiola for getting rid of Joe Hart.
Bravo has been on a hiding to nothing since the day he joined. Has he performed to a high level? No. But I'm pretty sure moans and groans in the stadium every time he plays the ball out don't help. I doubt jeering when he catches the ball help his confidence. I'm sure sporadic boos when his name is read out don't help (I hear them in SSL3 so I assume it happens elsewhere too).
People may say other players are getting criticised as well but let's be honest they aren't getting anywhere near the level of scrutiny that Bravo is and it's becoming a vicious circle. Many will disagree with this but in my opinion the support (or lack of) he's received from city fans (most importantly in the stadium) has been shameful since the day he arrived.
get you. so if a city fan who is totally behind bravo labels a non bravo fan something they should be pulled up?There's no need to label them at all, we are all City fans.
When you label or pigeon hole like that you wind people up and then are usually met with an equally childish response and then it descends into farcical name calling instead of good debate, which is what we're all here for after all, isn't it?
The bloke was getting ironic jeers from his own fans from pretty much the start of his career with us.
He's getting the overwhelming criticism for City's failings because he isn't pulling off world class saves - given the other glaring problems we have that's completely disproportionate.
We played well for 25 minutes against Everton and it was all due to keeping the ball and playing it out from the back - something Bravo played a significant part in.
But it isn't his fault we miss three or four guilt edged chances. It isn't his fault clichy gives the ball away twice. It isn't his fault that Otamendi stands around ball watching. But he gets the blame for not saving a shot from lukaku that's blasted past him from 12 yards.
Carragher said "de gea would have saved that". Well actually in the first six months at united when he was getting used to a new team and new league he couldn't catch a cold. He made far, far worse mistakes than Bravo has made.
Bravo isn't faultless - I'm not suggesting for a second that is - but it's the disproportionate nature of the critcism he's getting that's a bit of a joke. He's becoming scapegoat because people would rather blame him than blame Guardiola for the fact we play out from the back at all costs. People would rather blame him than blame guardiola for getting rid of Joe Hart.
Bravo has been on a hiding to nothing since the day he joined. Has he performed to a high level? No. But I'm pretty sure moans and groans in the stadium every time he plays the ball out don't help. I doubt jeering when he catches the ball help his confidence. I'm sure sporadic boos when his name is read out don't help (I hear them in SSL3 so I assume it happens elsewhere too).
People may say other players are getting criticised as well but let's be honest they aren't getting anywhere near the level of scrutiny that Bravo is and it's becoming a vicious circle. Many will disagree with this but in my opinion the support (or lack of) he's received from city fans (most importantly in the stadium) has been shameful since the day he arrived.