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Exeter Blue I am here
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Not sure if this is relevant, and just playing devil's advocate really, but were City leading at Burnley so Aguero's booking was for time wasting? Spurs were losing yesterday when Son did it, so couldn't be accused of trying to gain an advantage. Or is the booking issued for dissent rather than time-wasting?
I think you're stretching it further than a rubber Peter Crouch doll on a medieval rack there Ric. It was purely an instinctive striker's impulse on both occasions IMO and I doubt Kun gave any thought to time-wasting (particularly given that there was still half an hour to go), when he made the split second decision to dink the keeper. And the (alleged) sarcastic applause was after the yellow I think (although I'd have to watch it again to be certain), cos I remember the eternally unbiased Vick inhaler Francis whining that Sergio should have been given a second yellow for that applause and sent off as a result.
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MillionMilesAway
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If I felt like that I probably would bin it off! Kane's was so marginal that you can take blame the linesman for not giving it. Same with Sane against Arsenal - the attacker got the benefit of the doubt. Jesus was clearly offside so not really comparable.
That's pretty much as I saw it. Jesus was clearly offside, Kane was a matter of inches.
MillionMilesAway
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I've just watched again on MOTD. How three officials can not see that push on Sterling is grossly incompetent from all of them. The linesman Andy Garrett has only to look across with a totally unimpeded view to see the push. He (or his mate) flagged for a first half foul by Spurs, so they clearly had licence to help the ref with fouls when necessary.
Plus if Pep could clearly see it, linesman Beck should also have seen it. He could have at least given Kane offside to prevent the injustice. And fourth official Jones, who was closest to Pep should have seen it, but he looked as though he had just been interrupted from reading a good book when Pep berated him.
Garrett, yes.
The other one and the 4th official - how far down the sideline was Guardiola at the time? Wouldn't his angle have been different?
MillionMilesAway
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One more thing that rarely gets reported. If a ref fucks up against Liverpool or the Rags etc, they dont get to ref another of their games for 12/18 months at a minimum as the clubs simply tell PiGMOL and the PL they wont accept them. Its called punishment.
They fuck up against us and nothing. We get the exact same clown within a matter of weeks and the same fucking blatant cheating.
Not seen Taylor since the Chelsea match...
Didn't have Clattenburg for a long time after SterlingGate...
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blueinsa
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Not seen Taylor since the Chelsea match...
Didn't have Clattenburg for a long time after SterlingGate...
Well lets just see how long it is before we do see them again as im talking months, even seasons when a ref gets it wrong for other sides so lets just see how it pans out.
MillionMilesAway
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Most of the east stand saw the Spurs free kick incident. Absolutely befuddling.
However, despite the poor refereeing, we should have been out of sight by half time. That's down to us not clicking in the attacking department. We are SOOO close to gelling, it can only be a matter of time before we start hammering teams and no referee will be able to stop us.
Bear with it for a bit, good times are approaching.
I thought the same, but unfortunately this is just wrong.
The laws have this line (after the usual definition of being in an offside position when the ball is played -- which Aguero definitely was)
"If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play"
http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/sites/default/files/Laws_of_the_Game_2016_2017_Neutral.pdf
p77-79
So thy got it right, albeit looking weird.
The new rule statesRule change on offside at the start of this season, to the fee kick is taken where the offside player gets the ball, not where he was offside, it was one of his few right decisions, none of the bt commentators seemed to know the rule either. For me his worst was the booking of Otamendi fo being pushed, apart from the penaly obviously.
A free-kick resulting from an offside will now always take place where the offence is committed.
The offence can only occur in their half so the free kick cannot be taken in our half.
MillionMilesAway
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Course he didn't and the go to default excuse.
Do you honestly believe that?
Yes.
Wretched Vengeance
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I've just watched again on MOTD. How three officials can not see that push on Sterling is grossly incompetent from all of them. The linesman Andy Garrett has only to look across with a totally unimpeded view to see the push. He (or his mate) flagged for a first half foul by Spurs, so they clearly had licence to help the ref with fouls when necessary.
Plus if Pep could clearly see it, linesman Beck should also have seen it. He could have at least given Kane offside to prevent the injustice. And fourth official Jones, who was closest to Pep should have seen it, but he looked as though he had just been interrupted from reading a good book when Pep berated him.
It's very difficult to believe this is all legitimate from them when it happens so often.
As for Pochettino, he can do one too. Not even the grace to admit they got lucky yesterday.
And Wanyama had the nerve to Tweet they were unlucky not to get all 3 points.
Ridiculous comment.
Prestwich_Blue
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The offence would occur where the player plays the ball or is deemed to be active. So if he's in an offside position in the opposition half when the ball is played then moves back into his own half and receives the ball then he's offside even though he's in his own half.The new rule states
A free-kick resulting from an offside will now always take place where the offence is committed.
The offence can only occur in their half so the free kick cannot be taken in our half.
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blueinsa
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Yes.
So thats you, him and his linesman then.
Fair enough. 55,000 at the ground, all of the BT sports panel and comms team and virtually every other fan going off social media and the press have it wrong.
MillionMilesAway
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The offence would occur where the player plays the ball or is deemed to be active. So if he's in an offside position in the opposition half when the ball is played then moves back into his own half and receives the ball then he's offside even though he's in his own half.
This. The line I quoted a few posts above explicitly allows for this.
I didn't know until I looked, it's hardly a surprise that most in the ground didn't.
Exeter Blue I am here
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Not seen Taylor since the Chelsea match...
Didn't have Clattenburg for a long time after SterlingGate...
As a rule of thumb, you tend to get each referee between 2 and 4 times a season. The Chelsea game was only at the end of November, so a little bit early to start citing Taylor as an example of City being afforded equitable treatment in the referee "banning" department. Similarly you're incorrect about Clattenburg. The Sterling game was in Feb 2016. Only 11 games then elapsed before he took charge of the Manchester derby in Sept 2016
MillionMilesAway
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So thats you, him and his linesman then.
Fair enough. 55,000 at the ground, all of the BT sports panel and comms team and virtually every other fan going off social media and the press have it wrong.
What are you talking about?
If you want to believe what's said on social media, that's up to you.
I said Garrett must/should have seen it.
THe long shot shows Marriner about 25-30 yards from Sterling and dead in line behind them. He's not going to have got closer while running and Walker was between them. THe ref is meant to have certainty about penalties, and I can perfectly understand that he didn't have that.
I stand corrected, still it's a rubbish rule change.This. The line I quoted a few posts above explicitly allows for this.
I didn't know until I looked, it's hardly a surprise that most in the ground didn't.
blueparrot
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The offence is only committed when a player attempts to play the ball, otherwise there is no offence. So it where Aguero touches the ball in his own half, if he hadnt touched the ball there would have been no offside.it was the correct decision. Thats the change in rule from last season when it would have been from where he was stood offside.The new rule states
A free-kick resulting from an offside will now always take place where the offence is committed.
The offence can only occur in their half so the free kick cannot be taken in our half.
Tommy_Catons_Perm
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I've just watched again on MOTD. How three officials can not see that push on Sterling is grossly incompetent from all of them. The linesman Andy Garrett has only to look across with a totally unimpeded view to see the push. He (or his mate) flagged for a first half foul by Spurs, so they clearly had licence to help the ref with fouls when necessary.
Plus if Pep could clearly see it, linesman Beck should also have seen it. He could have at least given Kane offside to prevent the injustice. And fourth official Jones, who was closest to Pep should have seen it, but he looked as though he had just been interrupted from reading a good book when Pep berated him.
It's very difficult to believe this is all legitimate from them when it happens so often.
As for Pochettino, he can do one too. Not even the grace to admit they got lucky yesterday.
Can retrospective action be taken against Kyle Walker for the push on sterling, which it seems to be universally agreed was a red card offence ?
Presumably the ref did not see it and that's why he took no action ? Or does this rule only apply in the case of violent conduct ?
MillionMilesAway
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As a rule of thumb, you tend to get each referee between 2 and 4 times a season. The Chelsea game was only at the end of November, so a little bit early to start citing Taylor as an example of City being afforded equitable treatment in the referee "banning" department. Similarly you're incorrect about Clattenburg. The Sterling game was in Feb 2016. Only 11 games then elapsed before he took charge of the Manchester derby in Sept 2016
Was it only 11? Seemed longer than that, fair enough. I'd prefer Clattenburg to Mason, mind, and I think Clattenburg isn't a great ref.
As you say, well have to see on Taylor.
I agree with the basis of the argument though that in the past refs have gone missing for Ferguson and others.
As an aside, there's something really odd with the scheduling of refs. Oliver has had Liverpool 5 times so far I think, and twice in a month with the recent cup tie vs United.