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Prestwich_Blue said:
The point is that people can vote for whichever candidate they want and don't have to give a valid reason as to why they did vote the way they did. You may have a view, I may have a view (and I generally agree with yours btw) but unless you've got a PR system and a wider choice of candidates people have to vote for someone who may not be ideal.
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Not many candidates are ever ideal, but normally the vetting process does not result in a candidate with a 25-year history of pathological behavior with absolutely no experience serving the people of a nation in ANY capacity whatsoever. And even if it does, it's at levels like, say, Mayor, or Congressional Representative . . . Sonny Bono, e.g., or his wife, who took his place after he died. The Presidential vetting process should be 100 times as stringent.

But it wasn't. Arguably for either party.
 
What would it take for him to be removed from office?

And, if he was, would the car crash continue anyway as what we are seeing is a political party exercising its will rather than one mans folly?
 
Daz_Blue said:
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When the man sends thousands to a gas chamber merely for religious beliefs your cute little "art" might mean something.

Until then, it's just meaningless hyperbole.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The point is that people can vote for whichever candidate they want and don't have to give a valid reason as to why they did vote the way they did. You may have a view, I may have a view (and I generally agree with yours btw) but unless you've got a PR system and a wider choice of candidates people have to vote for someone who may not be ideal.
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I do not understand how anyone can debate the logic of your last few posts on this.

In a system where if you do not 'vote for the other fella' you will get Clinton was clearly enough to sway some people to vote Trump even if it meant having to set aside factors that you found very distasteful

Also re voting Republican 'out of habit' - well of course that happens - we have had the same situation here for generations. The selection processes - they may be flawed - led to Trump becoming the Republican candidate.
 
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idahoblues said:
Now now, this is Bluemoon, it never ceases to amaze me what I learn about the US on here
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Yes, I especially enjoy the interesting perspective from the folks who've never been here . . . or, worse, claim to "love Las Vegas." :)

Incidentally -- I spent a few summers in Owyhee County as a kid, not far from Murphy. Learned to ride horses and fish there.
 
1961_vintage said:
What would it take for him to be removed from office?

And, if he was, would the car crash continue anyway as what we are seeing is a political party exercising its will rather than one mans folly?
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Well, you could lie about getting a hummer from an intern, lie about impeding an FBI investigation into a break-in at Democratic Headquarters that you probably ordered, or remove and replace a Cabinet member without Congressional consent.
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
The shitgibbon does like his torture and to most civilised people, it is reprehensible. You defend Trump all the time regardless of his stance, you can still support someone and admit they are wrong now and then you know.

Laying the blame for Guantanamo at Obama's door, thats a good one, he tried to have it closed and released a load of inmates from there, dont tarnish him with something that the chimp Bush created.
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One of Obamas first exec orders was to close Guantanemo. The Reps blocked it at every turn.

"Soon after his election, Mr Obama made closing Guantanamo Bay a top priority for his new administration, pledging to close it within a year of his inauguration in January 2009.

But his plan to transfer prisoners to maximum security prisons in the US and try some detainees in the civilian justice system met fierce resistance from lawmakers of both parties."

Fact checking a thing Trumpeteers ignore. The usual it was obamas fault really does show a lack of regard to actual facts. Doesn't seem to bother Dobald or his fans.

Alternative Facts allows an alternative reality and excuses to support an alternative arsehole no matter what he says or does.

And you're right as well about 'his' book. **** can barely string a coherent sentence together.
 
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Trump has nothing on Hitler so it's not really a fair comparison. For one thing, Adolf Hitler was by all accounts an extremely intelligent man and had the charisma and confidence to unite an entire country behind him. Hell, he managed to convince very large portions of the population of Germany that the Holocaust wasn't completely fucked up. Trump is undeniably not very intelligent and most people (even in the country he now leads) would be perfectly happy to see him removed from office. In moral values they may not be far apart, we can't know for sure, but the difference is Trump is not going to kill six million people in gas chambers. It won't happen. And the chances of him starting a World War are quite remote unless he really puts his mind to it.

However, I will say that Trump needs to go ASAP. He's been in office barely a week and already he's started with what, to be fair, we already knew he would do. Far-fetched as it sounds I wouldn't be surprised to see an assassination if things get much worse.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Yes, I especially enjoy the interesting perspective from the folks who've never been here . . . or, worse, claim to "love Las Vegas." :)

Incidentally -- I spent a few summers in Owyhee County as a kid, not far from Murphy. Learned to ride horses and fish there.
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You learnt to ride fish? America truly is a very different place.
 
MarsLlama said:
Trump has nothing on Hitler so it's not really a fair comparison. For one thing, Adolf Hitler was by all accounts an extremely intelligent man and had the charisma and confidence to unite an entire country behind him. Hell, he managed to convince very large portions of the population of Germany that the Holocaust wasn't completely fucked up. Trump is undeniably not very intelligent and most people (even in the country he now leads) would be perfectly happy to see him removed from office. In moral values they may not be far apart, we can't know for sure, but the difference is Trump is not going to kill six million people in gas chambers. It won't happen. And the chances of him starting a World War are quite remote unless he really puts his mind to it.

However, I will say that Trump needs to go ASAP. He's been in office barely a week and already he's started with what, to be fair, we already knew he would do. Far-fetched as it sounds I wouldn't be surprised to see an assassination if things get much worse.
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I think you grossly underestimate Trump when you describe him as "undeniably not very intelligent". In some respects he's hugely intelligent, although discernibly not in others. He's isn't at all articulate and has a grossly simplistic way of assessing situations, but I would say he's hugely adept at reading other people and what motivates them; and he instinctively understood the prevailing disposition of the American people sufficiently to get elected as President, despite never having held office, which is a staggering achievement.

Human intelligence takes many disparate forms; some of the cleverest people I've dealt in the course of my working life with could not read or write, and on that basis, Trump, given what he has achieved, is manifestly intelligent: as what is intelligence, other than an ability to read the world around us and respond to it to our advantage?
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think you grossly underestimate Trump when you describe him as "undeniably not very intelligent". In some respects he's hugely intelligent, although discernibly not in others. He's isn't at all articulate and has a grossly simplistic way of assessing the world and situations within it, but I would say he's hugely adept at reading other people and what motivates them; and he instinctively understood the prevailing disposition of the American people sufficiently to get elected as President, despite never having held office, which is a staggering achievement.

Human intelligence takes many disparate forms; some of the cleverest people I've dealt in the course of my working life with could not read or write, and on that basis, Trump, given what he has achieved, is manifestly intelligent: as what is intelligence, other than an ability to read the world around us and respond to it to our advantage?
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To be fair I agree with you, you make a well-reasoned argument. I think intelligence was a bad choice of words. The thing about Trump is that he doesn't seem to understand or care about the effects of nuclear weaponry, racial/religious segregation, prejudice. He doesn't care that when you're the most powerful man in the world, saying things like "grab her by the pussy" is not going to make a good impression.
 
MarsLlama said:
To be fair I agree with you, you make a well-reasoned argument. I think intelligence was a bad choice of words. The thing about Trump is that he doesn't seem to understand or care about the effects of nuclear weaponry, racial/religious segregation, prejudice. He doesn't care that when you're the most powerful man in the world, saying things like "grab her by the pussy" is not going to make a good impression.
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No, I completely agree. He simply doesn't care. He is completely immune from the normal social inhibitions that constrain others. It's possibly the single part of his personality that most contributed to his getting elected, so he's hardly likely to turn his back on it now. Sociopaths and pathological liars don't change, especially if those qualities have delivered them huge success.
 
His latest racist move to ban and suspend immigration is causing mayhem and much heartache.

He will though allow the oil rich medieval madmen of Saudi in. Oh yes. The fact it was nationals and cash from Saudi who brought down the Towers on 9/11 is but a mere inconvenience.

I actually feel sorry for the majority of voters who rejected this unstable sociopath. Their country has been deeply shamed by Trump.

Worse than that. His policies will cost lives. People walking about today will be killed in retaliation for what he has done.

What will he say when such an attack is made and the reason given is Trumps war on Islam? He will probably blame Obama and his fans will believe him. They believe and accept anything, even when they know he's lying.

Shameful.
 
It's funny how opinions are formed at a distance. I'm currently teaching a class of 12 pilots, 8 US and 4 Canadian.

They mostly approve of Trump and love the fact he's doing what he said he would.

It's about 70/30 in his favor.

Bluemoon is not representative of us feeling and clearly neither is the European media.
 
I'm not too sure what all the fuss is about with trumps immigration policy, is it because it's trump that's saying it as bill clinton said virtually the same thing as him and was lauded for it
 
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