Bigotry? Talk about devaluing the term. You are all over the place here if you think this subject is comparable to real forms of bigotry that affect people's lives. It's quite embarrassing that you'd throw terms like that around and shows a massive lack of perspective.
What on earth are you talking about? "Devaluing"... sorry but let me give you the definition of the word so there can be no further confusion about what it actually means:
intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.
So the point was too many old timers feel it's fine to be intolerant of opinions different to their own, when they write everyone who dares to differ off as a JCL, an embarrassment to the club and generally not welcome in their eyes. That's covered and justified the use of the term in one sentence right there, it might seem like a strong word but sometimes it really can just be used to highlight shitty attitudes or behaviour(much like prejudice there are levels but the same word still applies to all of them, in no way is that devaluing anything).
I only levelled it at you directly in the last post because you responded directly to it, I may disagree with you and I may tell you I think you are wrong but what I wont do is imply
anyone who holds an opinion different to mine which in truth doesn't affect anyone at the club, is a JCL and not welcome because you're embarrassing me. Haha sorry but have you even heard how ridiculous that sounds? Also if I did find myself doing that I'd simply acknowledge it on some level and reign it in a bit, not go into some circular, barely cohesive, slightly cryptic essay that gets me nowhere.
I get it, you were obviously triggered by the original post judging by the way your posts read. I knew some of you would take huge offence to it even without even mentioning names or singling anyone out but I felt I had to say it as it really grates on me the frequency in which it happens(nobodies perfect I get that too, I'm sure I annoy some myself but I'm free to express my annoyance if I feel people are getting way above themselves).
Not at all. But, like I said, if you want to apply 'normal' judgement and thought processes to all aspects of football, then great. But you and I both know that you don't and can't and that's why you have avoided trying to make a coherent argument justifying your attempts to judge attitudes to football through the prism of normal society values - but only on this one aspect.
You are all over the place here
The whole post was about that. It's not my problem if you won't respond properly to it (although we both know that it is almost certainly because you know the hypocrisy of your position when judged against how you - and everyone - accept(s) other equally or worse 'group think'/irrational aspect of football support). Your argument of 'who is anyone to suppose that fans of one team might have a set of shared values' is so far away from being a position that you can hold a consistent stance from that you've bottled out of exploring it further as you can see the weaknesses already.
First off I've avoided nothing, what's left to answer? Other than some cryptic nonsense which if someone were to read it aloud to you tomorrow you'd have no chance of deciphering yourself. I don't know if you're trying to appear intellectual with your wording or think you did a good job of putting a cohesive argument together but you're failing on both marks. Here's a fancy word for you to learn: succinct.
Or is that your whole intention... make as little sense, go off in random directions about rules in society not applying in the prism of football(waffle.. pure enjoying the smell of your own farts type waffle). In closing I level that YOU are they only hypocrite here pal, this whole conversation reads like you desperately trying to have the last say without saying much at all.
Edit: At this point I can't endure another of your posts. I'm off for a brew and and some icecream if there's any left... You win, it's fine for you to tell everyone who even dares to pick Liverpool they are new fan, a Johnny Come Lately, more than that the type of JCL that feeds "ammunition" to the perception other clubs have looking in(I assume) of new fans "not getting it" which is a hot topic among rags and dippers conversations around the city fanbase clearly.
