The Labour Government

[mackenzie]

I think too many have bought into speculation as being gospel.

Let’s wait until what is actually said at the budget before getting bent round the axle over social media and press speculation

Their messaging has been atrocious.
First it was that they had inherited a financial black hole that was much worse than anticipated.
Once we got used to that message we had Reeves doing that unusual presser just a few weeks ago, that was widely acknowledged as laying the foundations for a budget that might hurt.
Now we have Streeting and others saying manifesto promises will not be broken, and strong suggestions Reeves is changing her mind again.
I get that things change and other options might appear, but FFS get the optics right. Otherwise it gives the impression of a government who are all over the place and allowing leaks and subsequent speculation to see how things lie. And that isn't the sign of strong leadership.

 

[hampshireblue]

Embarrassing u turns, grow a backbone ffs. Just spooking the markets for no reason.

So it's a U turn if she does and a U turn if she doesn't.

 

[metalblue]

Whatever she does or may do on thresholds, ensuring the state pension on its' own doesn't attract tax should be a priority. Dragging people on just the state pension into tax would be madness. I'd actually like to see the bottom threshold go up to about £15k (breathing space for future pension rises) and the 40% tax maybe frozen or a bit lower.

I'm disappointed generally on tax as they have a great opportunity to make the whole system simpler and fairer.

If we are going to reform the tax system it needs to be done outside of the budget process though.

 

[i kne albert davy]

So all employees are on £60k+ and therefore no one gets any child benefit or over £100k to get free childcare?

The vast majority are, the girls in the office maybe not but kids are grown or they haven’t got any yet.course the lads out in all weathers have to graft for their wages so it doesn’t suit that many.

 

[mosssideblue]

Their messaging has been atrocious.
First it was that they had inherited a financial black hole that was much worse than anticipated.
Once we got used to that message we had Reeves doing that unusual presser just a few weeks ago, that was widely acknowledged as laying the foundations for a budget that might hurt.
Now we have Streeting and others saying manifesto promises will not be broken, and strong suggestions Reeves is changing her mind again.
I get that things change and other options might appear, but FFS get the optics right. Otherwise it gives the impression of a government who are all over the place and allowing leaks and subsequent speculation to see how things lie. And that isn't the sign of strong leadership.

Again. It’s speculation fuelled by media outlets and then absorbed as fact by many.

 

[Dazzle84]

So you want tax rises

If there was a strong enough argument made that it result in investments related to the public realm then I could be convinced.

My point is more that they've spent the last two months priming everyone for an Income Tax increase and are bottling it at the last minute. Especially as it'll probably end up the net result if they mess with thresholds, it's cowardly. Give us something to believe in

 

[metalblue]

Flip Flop politics.

 

[mosssideblue]

If there was a strong enough argument made that it result in investments related to the public realm then I could be convinced.

My point is more that they've spent the last two months priming everyone for an Income Tax increase and are bottling it at the last minute. Especially as it'll probably end up the net result if they mess with thresholds, it's cowardly. Give us something to believe in

The “priming” as you put it is simply noise amplified by the media as being her only option.

I would simply rather wait until what the budget reveals before having digs

 

[abu13]

If they dont raise tax they may well reduce the personal tax allowance, it keeps to the manifesto promise but still brings in additional money.
Trouble is it will impact low earners the most.

 

[metalblue]

I think too many have bought into speculation as being gospel.

Let’s wait until what is actually said at the budget before getting bent round the axle over social media and press speculation

Do you think the press make this stuff up or are they getting briefed it from people with first hand knowledge?

 

[mosssideblue]

Do you think the press make this stuff up or are they getting briefed it from people with first hand knowledge?

I think the press look for controversy

 

[Toney’s bookie]

So....

What will be used to make up for the Income tax u turn?

A substantial tax on profiteering?

1% tax on any houses sold over £1,000,000?

A new wealth tax created to make the rich pay their fair share?

The treasury telling health/transport and other public services to cut wages/pay rises/support services?

Logan's run style TV show to save on pensions payouts?

Be interesting to see what the chancellor has in mind. Bound to be something that won't affect her donors.

Tax threshold freezes
Absolishing salary sacrifice on pensions
Tax on electric cars

(According to Peston)

 

[TinFoilHat]

Tax threshold freezes
Absolishing salary sacrifice on pensions
Tax on electric cars

(According to Peston)

Wouldn't surprise me if number 10 fed him that info.

 

[Dazzle84]

The “priming” as you put it is simply noise amplified by the media as being her only option.

I would simply rather wait until what the budget reveals before having digs

Oh come on, she did a bloody press conference and they've been flying kites in the media for months - it's naive to suggest that hasn't come from the Treasury

 

[mackenzie]

I think the press look for controversy

If they are then the Government are certainly helping it.

 

[mosssideblue]

Oh come on, she did a bloody press conference and they've been flying kites in the media for months - it's naive to suggest that hasn't come from the Treasury

Did she say categorically she was increasing income tax in the press conference?

 

[hilts]

The correct choice not going back on a clear promise made. Also it (hopefully) will focus attention on other streams and/or an attempt to look at the taxation system as a whole. Labour has a great opportunity (given its massive majority and at least 3.5 years left) to deliver some real change

If they were going to do anything radical they would have started work on it by now tbf, From the outside it looks like whack a mole on unpopular choices, they are wasting time and energy waiting for a popular choice to pop up.
Unfortunately there isn't one, if they keep at this they will collapse from exhaustion or have the hammer taken off them.

 

[mosssideblue]

If they are then the Government are certainly helping it.

It’s been obvious for many years that the British media (esp BBC) would rather discuss conflict between parties and inflame division amongst the populace rather than promote any improvement made by the incumbent.

Just look how much airtime the frog is getting compared to Ed Davy.

 

[hilts]

It’s been obvious for many years that the British media (esp BBC) would rather discuss conflict between parties and inflame division amongst the populace rather than promote any improvement made by the incumbent.

Just look how much airtime the frog is getting compared to Ed Davy.

And im sure you have coincidentally come to this conclusion during Labours time in office:-)

 

[mosssideblue]

And im sure you have coincidentally come to this conclusion during Labours time in office:-)

Not at all. Pisses me off greatly that they have been doing it for years