Saddleworth2
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That is pretty offensive mate. And I expect not just to bj.
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“The work of God”?
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Haha...you said bj.That is pretty offensive mate. And I expect not just to bj.
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Haha, so I did. Still offensive though imo.Haha...you said bj.
Are you seriously needing me to explain parables to you now?
It’s actually very funny you’ve googled that and think Jesus was literally telling people to cut their feet off.
It means, if getting drunk, for example, makes you sin and turn away from God, stop it.
It means if your phone is making it easier for you to watch pornography, get rid of it.
Throughout the Gospels He talks in hyperbole and parables and metaphors, to get the message across.
literally nobody, not even atheist critics agree with the assessment that He meant to literally do any of those things.
That chapter of John is absolutely ridiculous to post in that context!
Are you purposefully lying or have you just copied it and pasted from a website that’s lying?
It’s from John Chapter 5 and the man cannot walk, Jesus heals him and makes him walk and the man carries the mat he was begging on into the temple to tell the priests he was healed by Jesus. The Pharisees try to punish him for carrying his mat on the sabbath, Jesus comes back and warns the man he’ll get in trouble if he sins in front of them again.
its a veiled threat sin no more or you will be worse than cripple, no parable there its a threat, i would say who are you to threaten me
if he didn't mean why say it
I can’t cope anymore, it’s actually making me laugh.
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He also is said to have said:The Gospels are.
I’ve actually read them in full recently.
When asked the greatest commandment, He says in the Gospels “love the Lord thy God but also love thy neighbour as much as yourself”.
He then goes on to say “don’t just love those that love you, but love your enemies and pray for them”.
Sounds like hatred alright, horrendous.
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
There are many quotes showing this level of preparedness for hatred of family, eternal hell for non-believers, discouraging family love, discouraging marriage, encouraging castration, encouraging self mutilation...
If he was real and really did say these things, he appears to be very similar to those cult leaders from the 1960s who made people hate and disown their own families. He seemed to want to scare people into following him or they’d burn for eternity in hell and was prepared to send anyone who didn’t believe to that eternal fire.
He was eager to destroy entire cities as well:
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! ... And thou, Capernaum ... shalt be brought down to hell ... it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
His disciples were prepared to be killed for their beliefs much like those brainwashed suicide cults like at Jonestown were prepared to commit suicide for their cult leader.
He’s literally just been told off, the man, by the Pharisees for sinning, Jesus has made him able to walk again and comes back and says “stop sinning or something worse may happen to you”. He’s blatantly talking about the Pharisees, who, in literally the next passage are trying to kill Jesus too.its a veiled threat sin no more or you will be worse than cripple, no parable there its a threat, i would say who are you to threaten me
if he didn't mean why say it
Can I just take a couple? I mean, all of them are explainable in context but the problem is, you and @tonea2003 are Googling as many negative things he’s supposed to have said, and it’s giving you parables, which people think are literal instructions.He also is said to have said:
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
There are many quotes showing this level of preparedness for hatred of family, eternal hell for non-believers, discouraging family love, discouraging marriage, encouraging castration, encouraging self mutilation...
If he was real and really did say these things, he appears to be very similar to those cult leaders from the 1960s who made people hate and disown their own families. He seemed to want to scare people into following him or they’d burn for eternity in hell and was prepared to send anyone who didn’t believe to that eternal fire.
He was eager to destroy entire cities as well:
His disciples were prepared to be killed for their beliefs much like those brainwashed suicide cults like at Jonestown were prepared to commit suicide for their cult leader.
You can go through the whole Bible and find these, easily take them out of context, missing the meaning and apply it to what you think it says.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
This one is easy, in Christianity, God will not force Himself on you like some needy girlfriend who won’t leave you alone if you don’t want to be with her. If you don’t want to believe it and you reject the idea, you can walk away.
Regarding your post on “hatred for family” that cannot be further from the truth. Jesus preached about honouring thy mother and father and not doing so is a sin. The family unit is a centre piece of Christianity, and a centre piece of it applied to society on earth.
As I said in my previous post, anyone who’s read the Bible or even has a limited understanding of it, knows self mutilation isn’t literally being taught.
JESUS TALKED IN PARABLES
Parable definition: a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson.
It is not to be taken literally, nobody at the time, nor now, thinks it is.
The first one, I’ve just googled an answer for, rather than me thinking of it on the spot, like the last one I’ve answered, as I cannot remember it exactly but this answer online gives you the perfect response:
“The verse is part of a parable that Jesus taught. The parable seems intended to teach about the judgment of God at this point. It does not suggest that human governance should even follow this example. He merely uses what could and often did happen to illustrate a point of God's supreme governance.
Thus, this verse has nothing to do with an individual turning the other cheek, nor does it speak to the idea of human governance at all. What it does teach is that all mankind will one day face the judgment of God. Those who have hated and rejected God will not be with him in eternity.”11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’
15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. 16 The first came before him, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant![c] Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’ 19 And he said to him, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ 20 Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’
22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24 And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25 And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26 ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” Luke 19:11-27 ESV
Oh and just on 60’s cult leaders, Jesus’s kingdom was not of this world and people were to obey the world of the land. You’re whole behaviour is based on being kind to others and remaining in the situation, such as job, home, body, you are in and changing spiritually. For example the Bible teaches that if you found Christ and weren’t circumcised, then don’t do it, there’s no need.
It couldn’t be less like a 60’s cult.
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where's he being told off?? all i can read is jesus cures him then finds him later in temple(no reason given why he's there) and then threatens him to sin no more or a worse fate awaitsHe’s literally just been told off, the man, by the Pharisees for sinning, Jesus has made him able to walk again and comes back and says “stop sinning or something worse may happen to you”. He’s blatantly talking about the Pharisees, who, in literally the next passage are trying to kill Jesus too.
ok its a bit of a telling off for carrying his bed, i guess you can read it either way who threatening who
and did he spend his whole life talking in parables or just when it suits you, he will have spoke literally most of the time, how the hell were most of these illiterate peasants expect to understand him if he's talking in riddles all the time
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where's he being told off?? all i can read is jesus cures him then finds him later in temple(no reason given why he's there) and then threatens him to sin no more or a worse fate awaits
and did he spend his whole life talking in parables or just when it suits you, he will have spoke literally most of the time, how the hell were most of these illiterate peasants expect to understand him if he's talking in riddles all the time
John 5:9
At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked. The day on which this took place was a Sabbath,
John 5:10
and so the Jewish leaders said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat!"
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John 5:14
Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."
It was punishable by death to break the sabbath, in literally the next chapter, the Pharisees try to kill Jesus for healing the man on the sabbath.
And He claims to be the sabbath, again punishable by death because that is claiming to be of the divine.
You do ancient people a disservice by your criticisms of them. Stories were how they communicated and Jesus used parables because the local traditions at the time were reliant on these types of stories to learn.