“The work of God”?

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Glad to see you are standing up for your faith. It takes true grit.
I certainly believe in God and that Jesus was put on this earth to show us the way.
Nobody on this thread has produced any coherent argument to prove it is not true. If they could come up with a better reason as to why people would die for a cause they KNOW to be a lie then they might tweak my amusement.
But thats unlikely.

nobody has to prove it's not true. For something to exist, you have to prove its existence. You can't.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

God created the Earth.

He created man, seemingly a day after he created everything else that roamed the planets.

Except for dinosaurs and all of those other extinct beings that existed hundreds of millions of years prior to our existence.

Jesus was put on this Earth about 2020 years ago, not 4000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago. Just randomly 2020 years ago. Though, this might be because he only created the earth thousands of years ago, and everything prior is a myth or can be explained away by other means.

In addition, a man parted the seas, the whole world flooded but every animal known to man managed to fit, live in harmony, and survive on a wooden boat. A woman was created from a rib of a man and they produced the whole human race (6 fingered Tommy, anyone?). Add to all of that, a talking, burning bush and I’m finding it a strange, strange concept that people can doctor faith in the modern age from these.

If it doesn’t fit the narrative though, it can be explained away through the mystery of ‘faith’.

None of these stories even originated from the Judaism or Christianity. You can pluck any story from the Tanakh or Bible (I know less about the Quran but I’m guessing it’s exactly the same) and find, somewhere, much older stories from more ancient religions.

Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures

The first important lesson history can teach us concerning the pagan influences on modern religion is that the Jews were not the first monotheistic group. Not only did nearby cultures adopt the ide…

www.google.co.uk

You can look at the historicity of the claims of the Abrahamic religions and find them to be false as well.

Hebrews were never enslaved in Egypt

Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth?

Where is the real proof - archaeological evidence, state records and primary sources?

www.google.co.uk

Hebrews never wiped out the Canaanites

Scientists just disproved a historical event described in the Bible

‘You shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them’

www.google.co.uk

There’s not even any evidence of a Hebrew-Canaanite war.

 

[BimboBob]

I don’t think that happened at all.

Christianity is different than nearly all others as it’s one of the few where God comes down to live among us to take our debts.

The vast majority of others we need to behave in a way that grants salvation.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true, I’m just saying it does have significant differences.

What are the commandments for then if not a set of rules or behaviour that grant salvation?

Christianity follows a set pattern. Designed to scare the bejesus out of you. Do this otherwise it's hell and damnation for your soul. The trouble with being religious in modern times is the vast unwashed now have a toothbrush. They can look back at all the pain and suffering religion has inflicted on mankind and say...fuck that for a game of soldiers.

 

[Ban-jani]

What are the commandments for then if not a set of rules or behaviour that grant salvation?

Christianity follows a set pattern. Designed to scare the bejesus out of you. Do this otherwise it's hell and damnation for your soul. The trouble with being religious in modern times is the vast unwashed now have a toothbrush. They can look back at all the pain and suffering religion has inflicted on mankind and say...fuck that for a game of soldiers.

I am sorry mate but if you really believe Christianity teaches do this or you go to hell, then you’ve not read the Gospels.

The general premise is that we break commandments all the time and everyone sins, and that Christ died on the cross to take the punishment we deserved for sinning.

The first Christians were persecuted and it was an underground movement, they weren’t planning on controlling anyone with it, they genuinely believed it as they went to their deaths with it.

 

[Ban-jani]

Glad to see you are standing up for your faith. It takes true grit.
I certainly believe in God and that Jesus was put on this earth to show us the way.
Nobody on this thread has produced any coherent argument to prove it is not true. If they could come up with a better reason as to why people would die for a cause they KNOW to be a lie then they might tweak my amusement.
But thats unlikely.

Most of the arguments are just repeated inaccuracies, based on what they’ve picked up listening to other people criticising Christianity.

I used to do the same, I’d quote Hitchens and think I was dead clever, when I’d not even read the New Testament myself.

 

[hilts]

nobody has to prove it's not true. For something to exist, you have to prove its existence. You can't.

Why would someone need to prove it? There is no proof on the origins of everything. Faith isn't proof, a feeling isn't proof but neither is a chalk board, a theory or the musings of scientists.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Most of the arguments are just repeated inaccuracies, based on what they’ve picked up listening to other people criticising Christianity.

I used to do the same, I’d quote Hitchens and think I was dead clever, when I’d not even read the New Testament myself.

Are you a creationist now? If not, how do you reconcile your beliefs with evolution and the fact humans existed in a primitive form before? Do you subscribe free will to animals (even within a narrow remit)?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

With all due respect, you don’t really know what my thought process was and the specifics I considered.

I was very critical of it and I still doubt from time to time. Every aspect of what I was reading I ran through my head a lot and did very much critique it.

The event prompted me to read it, I didn’t believe it at that point though, in fact I got half way through Matthew and was very sceptical.

The process doesn’t happen overnight and it’s incredibly difficult. There have been times when I wanted to just drop the idea of changing my mind for convenience.

Having to tell people you were completely wrong about the universe isn’t easy either, you normally get laughed at.

Absolutely mate. Fair enough. As I said, I'm interested in it from a psychological point of view. I did try to switch from talking about you to make a general point about religious belief in my post though (from what I've heard other converts say), but I can see why that might still come across as a comment on your belief (which of course it partly was, but not intended as an attack).

But would it be accurate to say that it was not a normal process of reading and learning about something? It was different to, say, reading a book about physics and realising that something you thought was true is actually wrong?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Glad to see you are standing up for your faith. It takes true grit.
I certainly believe in God and that Jesus was put on this earth to show us the way.
Nobody on this thread has produced any coherent argument to prove it is not true. If they could come up with a better reason as to why people would die for a cause they KNOW to be a lie then they might tweak my amusement.
But thats unlikely.

Who suggested they know it to be a lie? Someone can truly believe something and that thing still not be true. Presumably you think that all of the Islamist suicide bombers are wrong. Presumably you also think they are confident in their beliefs. Neither of those factors have any bearing on whether their beliefs are actually true though.

 

[vmsuhail]

None of these stories even originated from the Judaism or Christianity. You can pluck any story from the Tanakh or Bible (I know less about the Quran but I’m guessing it’s exactly the same) and find, somewhere, much older stories from more ancient religions.

Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures

The first important lesson history can teach us concerning the pagan influences on modern religion is that the Jews were not the first monotheistic group. Not only did nearby cultures adopt the ide…

www.google.co.uk

You can look at the historicity of the claims of the Abrahamic religions and find them to be false as well.

Hebrews were never enslaved in Egypt

Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth?

Where is the real proof - archaeological evidence, state records and primary sources?

www.google.co.uk

Hebrews never wiped out the Canaanites

Scientists just disproved a historical event described in the Bible

‘You shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them’

www.google.co.uk

There’s not even any evidence of a Hebrew-Canaanite war.

The Bible doesn't say the Jews built the pyramids. There is no credible basis for this claim. But, that doesn't mean the Hebrews were never enslaved in Egypt.

The earliest reference to 'Israel' is found in an inscription discovered in Egypt known as the "Merneptah Stele". The first Hebrews to settle in Egypt were Joseph(as), his father Jacob(as) [whose other name is Israel] and his brothers. Isn't that a coincidence ?

The article doesn't say there is no evidence at all of a Hebrew-Canaanite war, what it proves is that the complete and total annihilation of Canaanites couldn't have happened.

Regarding the exodus, perhaps the traditional understanding that the mount Sinai was the one in Sinai peninsula was wrong. The new site of the mountain that has been proposed is in northern Saudi Arabia, the red sea crossing site to be in the Gulf of Aqaba rather than the Gulf of Suez. Plenty of evidences to support this is shown here.



All the details regarding the new site are fully Biblical as well. Verse by verse explained here.

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