10 | Jack Grealish - 2021/22 Performances

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It's an annoying feature of football forums that many posters are eager to draw conclusions about a player or a transfer on a pretty small basis of evidence. How could one come to the conclusion that Grealish is not a good signing on the basis of 3 away games vs 3 of the strongest teams in the world, given that we dominated those teams at their ground and that he is a new player who needs time? One must be pretty clueless (about football) to arrive at such a conclusion.

It seems some would have questioned Grealish even if we had won any of those 3 games by 3 goals, provided that his personal stats weren't great.

Grealish is doing well for a new player in a radically new (for him) system. It will take time to gel with the other players, to understand their movements, to contribute more goals and assists. He will be particularly useful against low blocks and packed defences, where his ability to hold on the ball in crowded spaces and provide a creative spark is likely to be decisive. He's a great addition to our team and will help us keep a high level of performances, especially when we need to rotate more heavily.

Generally, a lot of posters on here are quick to write players off on the basis of clichés or lazy interpretations of stats. A common thread among the clueless comments and criticisms is the obsession with pace or daft comparisons with legends of the club. E.g., because Jesus is not clinical like Aguero, he must be average. Because Gundogan looks slow, he must be useless. Because Rodri seems to be immobile and doesn't tackle like Fernandinho, he isn't good enough, etc. etc. Not to mention harsh criticisms of Pep from fans who don't possess 1/100 of his tactical acumen and ability and who don't understand basic truths about football, e.g., that the opposition has always some chance to win (remember Wigan in 2018!), especially if it is on the level of Chelsea, United, Liverpool, PSG, etc. No tactics and no selection guarantees success in football. Yet a lot of criticisms after losses are based on the unshakeable conviction that had Pep done what they thought was necessary we'd have avoided the loss. As if chance doesn't play an important role in football and the latter is thoroughly predictable.
 
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It's an annoying feature of football forums that many posters are eager to draw conclusions about a player or a transfer on a pretty small basis of evidence. How could one come to the conclusion that Grealish is not a good signing on the basis of 3 away games vs 3 of the strongest teams in the world, given that we dominated those teams at their ground and that he is a new player who needs time? One must be pretty clueless (about football) to arrive at such a conclusion.

It seems some would have questioned Grealish even if we had won any of those 3 games by 3 goals, provided that his personal stats weren't great.

Grealish is doing well for a new player in a radically new (for him) system. It will take time to gel with the other players, to understand their movements, to contribute more goals and assists. He will be particularly useful against low blocks and packed defences, where one need to be able to hold on the ball in crowded spaces and provide a creative spark. He's a great addition to our team and will help us keep a high level of performances, especially when we need to rotate more heavily.

Generally, a lot of posters on here are quick to write players off on the basis of clichés or lazy interpretations of stats. A common thread among the clueless comments and criticisms is the obsession with pace or daft comparisons with legends of the club. E.g., because Jesus is not clinical like Aguero, he must be average. Because Gundogan looks slow, he must be useless. Because Rodri seems to be immobile and doesn't tackle like Fernandinho, he isn't good enough, etc. etc. Not to mention harsh criticisms of Pep from fans who don't possess 1/100 of his tactical acumen and ability and who don't understand basic truths about football, e.g., that the opposition has always some chance to win (remember Wigan in 2018!), especially if it is on the level of Chelsea, United, Liverpool, PSG, etc. No tactics and no selection guarantees success in football. Yet a lot of criticisms after losses are based on the unshakeable conviction that had Pep done what they thought was necessary we'd have avoided the loss. As if chance doesn't play an important role in football and it's thoroughly predictable.
1) Very much agree with all of this. We see posts like these from time to time and they're almost always necessary.

2) I'd like to add too, since Pep took over there's been a very consistent pattern for player development and form, and with the exception of Mendy it's always ended the exact same positive way. Which is what makes a lot of the criticism doubly irritating. A lot of the things we currently read about Sterling or Grealish are things we've read about other players before them, who in turn received criticisms that we'd heard for even earlier players. In fact, there's an entire directory of every unfair and overzealous criticism of a player in the 17/18 Gundogan thread alone.

With Grealish, we have to accept that maybe he doesn't turn out to be as good as we hoped. But at the same time, going purely off of history, everything points to a player that in anywhere from 6 (at the earliest) to 18 (at the latest) months time will be a player that will make us think 100m was a bargain.
 
Yes. How many attacking players hit the ground running and maintained it in their first full season under Pep?

Aguero had difficulties. Mahrez had difficulties. Foden had difficulties. Jesus had difficulties. Sterling had difficulties. De Bruyne had difficulties. Bernardo had difficulties. Sané had difficulties.

The fact that he's consistently getting picked despite all the options we have should tell you the promise that Pep sees in him.
Jesus was excellent right from his first game. He only had difficulties in his fourth season in.

The rest I agree with.
 
We play over 50 games a season usually, he'll get his minutes in.
Yes we all know how many games we play. Question is who starts in our best XI. We didn't pay 100m for someone to play in the Carabou, FA Cup or occasional league games to give others a rest.
 
Yes we all know how many games we play. Question is who starts in our best XI. We didn't pay 100m for someone to play in the Carabou, FA Cup or occasional league games to give others a rest.
People said the same sort of thing about Mahrez once upon a time. It worked out ok.
 
Doesnt sound as though your read my post that you replied to
I did, it's just people used to the same thing you're doing about Grealish when talking about Mahrez once upon a time.

"We didn't pay a record 60m for a guy just to get minutes in the domestic cups or as a sub..."

It worked out fine.
 
Yes we all know how many games we play. Question is who starts in our best XI. We didn't pay 100m for someone to play in the Carabou, FA Cup or occasional league games to give others a rest.

Grealish is currently part of our best XI. But the best XI is not a permanent thing, it's dynamic, players lose and regain form. Cancelo and Rodri were part of our best XI when we won 21 games in a row, but lost form toward the end of last season and didn't play in the CL final. The season is long, at different times we'll have a different best XI. Remember that Gundo is 31 and Kevin is 30. They will be rotated. Also, some players will get injuries. Again, the best XI is a dynamic thing. The likes of Stones, Zinch, Mahrez, Torres and Sterling may hit top form at some moment and become part of the best XI. Nobody expected that Gundo was going to be one of our most important players last season.
 
I did, it's just people used to the same thing you're doing about Grealish when talking about Mahrez once upon a time.

"We didn't pay a record 60m for a guy just to get minutes in the domestic cups or as a sub..."

It worked out fine.

That's a false analogy. We had nobody remotely comparable to Foden playing in Mahrez's best position.

Also no idea what you mean by "worked out fine". Mahrez is now down in the pecking order behind Jesus on the right. Similarly, Grealish could end up in a similar position behind Foden - which was my original point. As I said, it doesn't appear that you read the post you responded to.
 
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