10 | Jack Grealish - 2022/23 Performances

[Txiki Txiki Bang Bang]

Ok, so apart from him controling the game in stopping counter attacks, (which he doesn't btw) what else does he do?

Grealish himself said he was underperforming in interview quite recently. He is. He's also underwhelming. Plenty on here gave it the "we'll see his true qualities second season" and words to the like, but the truth is we aren't seeing much difference this season.

He doesn't beat a man and he doesn't dribble. He usually receives the ball goes on a10 yard run then gets rid. He hasn't got a burst of speed, just a slow predictable speed defenders quite often work out to nullify any threat. His crossing is average and his assists and goals are well below what he should be producing.

Sterling got pelters on here almost every week. Often by the same posters who defend any criticism of Grealish. But Sterling's effort in goals and assists were far better than Jack has given us thus far.

Well, there you have it.

Come to think of it, this narrative of "controlling" the game, I am not really sure where it came from BUT let's say he really does control the game, so...? Does that exclude him from contributing goals and assists? Is it unreasonable for the fans to demand more?

You know who one of the best at actually controlling the game for us was? Samir Nasri and you know what else Nasri did? He got goals and assists, Big goals might I add! And just like Sterling and Jesus, a lot of fans took a huge dump on Nasri, Why? Because those fans felt he wasn't contributing enough (and they were right about it too). If these big characters can be criticized then I don't see why we can't call things out for what they really are!

I don't care about the price tag, he didn't set that and he didn't force Pep to sign him. That's done, no need crying over spilled milk, however what I am concerned about is his contribution to the team.

Che Adams, Jack Harrison, Ward Prowse, Barnes, Almiron, Maddison or any of these players would contribute just as much if not more than what Grealish has contributed to the team.

How has it all of a sudden become an abomination to tell the truth about the poor form of a supposed professional player?

 

[blueparrot]

Well, there you have it.

Come to think of it, this narrative of "controlling" the game, I am not really sure where it came from BUT let's say he really does control the game, so...? Does that exclude him from contributing goals and assists? Is it unreasonable for the fans to demand more?

You know who one of the best at actually controlling the game for us was? Samir Nasri and you know what else Nasri did? He got goals and assists, Big goals might I add! And just like Sterling and Jesus, a lot of fans took a huge dump on Nasri, Why? Because those fans felt he wasn't contributing enough (and they were right about it too). If these big characters can be criticized then I don't see why we can't call things out for what they really are!

I don't care about the price tag, he didn't set that and he didn't force Pep to sign him. That's done, no need crying of spilled milk, however what I am concerned about is his contribution to the team.

Che Adams, Jack Harrison, Ward Prowse, Barnes, Almiron, Maddison or any of these players would contribute just as much if not more than what Grealish has contributed to the team.

How has it all of a sudden become an abomination to tell the truth about the poor form of a supposed professional player?

Nobody mentioned controlling the game, Pep mentioned controlling the counter attacks, which with our high line is our one real weakness.

 

[Maly]

For those who love their stats

Goal scoring or shooting chances created per player per 90 in the Prem



& same across the top 5 leagues in Europe

 

[supercity88]

For those who love their stats

Goal scoring or shooting chances created per player per 90 in the Prem

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& same across the top 5 leagues in Europe
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We should have signed Neymar!

 

[schfc6]

For those who love their stats

Goal scoring or shooting chances created per player per 90 in the Prem

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& same across the top 5 leagues in Europe
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But what does that mean? Take a very recent passage of play vs Brighton. De Bruyne puts one on a plate for Grealish, rather than take that chance, Grealish then plays it back to De Bruyne on his weak foot with men in front of him and the shot is easily saved.

The point being, his stupid, lazy pass will go on this list. In reality, Grealish should have scored..

I think that’s the issue many take with him. He often ‘passes the buck’ to a player in a far worse position to the one he is in.
For me so far, he’s just not brave enough.

We can talk all we want, he’s simply not producing the key numbers and that is why fans are asking questions and Pep normally leaves him out of big games..

If Pep is so keen on him ‘controlling the counter attacks’ can anyone explain why he was left out vs Liverpool? Arguably the best counter attacking side in the Europe?

Pep has to say stuff like that, because there’s not much else to say.

He’s not stunk by any stretch but he’s been disappointing. His numbers appalling but we can carry him and his qualities.

 

[domalino]

We can talk all we want, he’s simply not producing the key numbers

Only because you've decided "the key numbers" are goals and assists.

Grealish is absolutely incredible at getting the ball up the pitch, and getting the ball into the box.

These are really helpful - vital - things in our team, which scores well over 90% of goals from inside the box. Grealish gets the ball in the box, either by beating players via dribbling or making successful passes into the most congested area of the pitch. We score more goals and win more matches when he's playing because of this.

The conversation should be framed as goals and assists being the only thing missing, the final piece of the jigsaw, not the most basic thing he needs to deliver.

 

[WestGorton]

At least Jack isn't a bore like some on here.

 

[schfc6]

Only because you've decided "the key numbers" are goals and assists.

Grealish is absolutely incredible at getting the ball up the pitch, and getting the ball into the box.

These are really helpful - vital - things in our team, which scores well over 90% of goals from inside the box. Grealish gets the ball in the box, either by beating players via dribbling or making successful passes into the most congested area of the pitch. We score more goals and win more matches when he's playing because of this.

The conversation should be framed as goals and assists being the only thing missing, the final piece of the jigsaw, not the most basic thing he needs to deliver.


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I understand what he brings.

“These are really helpful - vital - things in our team, which scores well over 90% of goals from inside the box. Grealish gets the ball in the box, either by beating players via dribbling or making successful passes into the most congested area of the pitch. We score more goals and win more matches when he's playing because of this.”

Is that because he’s left out of the most difficult games though? The tough away games?
He also seems to remain on the bench when we’re in need of help in big games.

We win what 80/90% of all our games? So, if you’re missing the hardest games, you’re likely to be involved in the biggest wins.

I’ve said he’s got some very good attributes. But if he doesn’t add the difference makers to his game. He’ll be getting even less minutes in key games.

I’d also add, whilst he’s brilliant at getting us up the pitch through dribbling, we are often better served moving the ball even quicker through direct passing like we see from LaPorte, Stones or as Fernandinho used to.

I also notice Mahrez is really high on the same list. So with Mahrez you get a similar level of this particular stat but also double figure goals & assists every season.

The company he’s keeping at the top of the ‘normalised carries’ league you posted also win games, big games with key goals and assists.

Also many on the list, are fucking awful players.

I see what he brings, but still believe we need more from him or he’ll be gone.

 

[domalino]

Is that because he’s left out of the most difficult games though? The tough away games?

Is he? He's started away vs PSG, Liverpool, Liverpool in the FA Cup, Liverpool in the shield, Chelsea, Spurs, 5/6 away games in the CL groups since he arrived.

He's missed 1 big away game this season, Liverpool, but he's played them more than anyone else away from home.

In fact 15 of his 26 Premier League starts have been away from home, so he's actually getting picked more away from home than at the Etihad...


This is the crux of the Grealish debate. You have your suspicions and feelings that he's not good or doesn't play big away games, and all the real world evidence shows you're wrong. And you'll probably be griping about him in 2028 because he's not going anywhere.

You also seemingly can't distinguish between different people replying to you because the "rant about lists" section of your comment isn't anything to do with mine.

 

[schfc6]

Is he? He's started away vs PSG, Liverpool, Liverpool in the FA Cup, Liverpool in the shield, Chelsea, Spurs, 5/6 away games in the CL groups since he arrived.

He's missed 1 big away game this season, Liverpool, but he's played them more than anyone else away from home.

In fact 15 of his 26 Premier League starts have been away from home, so he's actually getting picked more away from home than at the Etihad...


This is the crux of the Grealish debate. You have your suspicions and feelings that he's not good or doesn't play big away games, and all the real world evidence shows you're wrong. And you'll probably be griping about him in 2028 because he's not going anywhere.

You also seemingly can't distinguish between different people replying to you because the "rant about lists" section of your comment isn't anything to do with mine.

The real World evidence doesn’t show that at all.
The real World evidence shows he’s been underwhelming..

I see you’ve ignored all my other points about the evidence you’ve provided,

What’s this “rants about lists” quote all about?
I‘ve simply looked at the information you’ve posted and responded to it politely.
Fir example the ’normalised progressive carries’ graph has him just above Vinicius Jnr, who I think we came all agree also posts far greater numbers elsewhere on the pitch. As does Dembelle.

But I’d also be hesitant to use data or statistics that include Dan James towards the top.