Sterling was wasteful however his off ball movement was world class and he got himself in to positions to be wasteful and he'd do it that often that his wastefulness wasn't always felt. To be fair to doku, he's yet to play in a side that productive that sterling was afforded.
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11 | Jeremy Doku - 2024/25
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Indeed.Sterling was wasteful however his off ball movement was world class and he got himself in to positions to be wasteful and he'd do it that often that his wastefulness wasn't always felt. To be fair to doku, he's yet to play in a side that productive that sterling was afforded.
I am really disappointed with the vibe here at the moment. We would all like to win, but we are judging young players in a negative fashion when we have been crippled by injury and illness for much of the season, with no senior players performing to anything like their historic capability.
Jeremy Doku is a huge prospect, and I imagine that fans of other clubs look on enviously at the young talent we have managed to recruit, while a section on here act like they've had their arse slapped, criticising the young players we have, and deriding anyone we are linked with as not good enough. Perhaps a few wins will help the vibe, but I have never known the place so negative and removed from reality.
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Doku will never be good enough to be a starter for us , this season we have regressed to his level so he’s getting a look in
Give me a footballer over someone like Doku , he can beat a man but then doesn’t know what to do with it
He’d be ok as an impact sub for a couple of seasons but we need better
Savinho is a much better player than him and will have a better career
Give me a footballer over someone like Doku , he can beat a man but then doesn’t know what to do with it
He’d be ok as an impact sub for a couple of seasons but we need better
Savinho is a much better player than him and will have a better career
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Lavinda Past
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Raz now being called a prolific finisher epitomises what the problem is. Here, despite his excellence, Raz was derided as utterly wasteful, just as Jeremy now is being. We don't know we are born...seriously!
Bloody hell... Raheem Sterling is a bona fide City legend.
Scored double figures in every campaign at the Etihad, exceeded 20 goals in three consecutive seasons between 2017 and 2020.
131 goals scored.
And you don't think he was a prolific finisher.
Bloody hell. You'll be telling us that Sergio Aguero was a stat padder next.
Doku is absolutely bobbins compared to Sterling.
You misunderstand me, or deliberately missed the part 'despite his obvious excellence', as did those who liked your post.Bloody hell... Raheem Sterling is a bona fide City legend.
Scored double figures in every campaign at the Etihad, exceeded 20 goals in three consecutive seasons between 2017 and 2020.
131 goals scored.
And you don't think he was a prolific finisher.
Bloody hell. You'll be telling us that Sergio Aguero was a stat padder next.
Doku is absolutely bobbins compared to Sterling.
Raheem Sterling was a fantastic player for us, but here he was derided. We all remember how he was repeatedly criticised on this forum, yet now his excellence is used a stick to beat Doku with. This place is really a parallel universe at the moment - everyone from the past is suddenly a great and everyone we are rumoured to be linked with is not good enough. Still, I remember when Rodri would never, ever be as good as Fern.
Now, Doku is being treated in the same way, despite his very obvious talent. He is in no way bobbins.
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Vinicius has been way worse than Doku lately. What a stinker tonight. And lets remember he was an inch from a balon dor, so even if he was objectively second best hes still proven worldclass. All Im saying is Doku is still among LWs you want to have in this game. The amount of time he puts the ball in dangerous areas is alone worth it. His analytics are not a mirage. You can see how much the team relies on him. He has flaws but truly great wingers are hard to find these days. Even Rafael Leao has had a mediocre season. A lot depends on the system as well. People say Mahrez and Sterling scored more but scoring was more distributed over the frontline. Now its just Haaland scoring and the wingers assisting.
You don’t think he was a good natural finisher though do you?Bloody hell... Raheem Sterling is a bona fide City legend.
Scored double figures in every campaign at the Etihad, exceeded 20 goals in three consecutive seasons between 2017 and 2020.
131 goals scored.
And you don't think he was a prolific finisher.
Bloody hell. You'll be telling us that Sergio Aguero was a stat padder next.
Doku is absolutely bobbins compared to Sterling.
What baffles me now is when we play the 2 wingers the one without the ball still hugs the other touch line and is never arriving at the back post. Clearly Sterling worked really hard on almost becoming a 2nd striker when we attacked down the other side. The amount of tap ins he got from just being there took his goal scoring to another level. Don’t get me wrong one of Sterling’s biggest strengths was his movement but very often he just burst a gut to be at the back post.
It looks like something we’ve bizarrely gone away from. The 2 wingers now clearly aren’t great finishers but rarely arrive at the back post. In Doku’s case almost never. I just can’t see how if it was something they were told to regularly in training that they wouldn’t be trying to do it in matches. It seems why alongside having Dad’s army in midfield we so often only ever have Haaland in the box when we attack.
It looks like something we’ve bizarrely gone away from. The 2 wingers now clearly aren’t great finishers but rarely arrive at the back post. In Doku’s case almost never. I just can’t see how if it was something they were told to regularly in training that they wouldn’t be trying to do it in matches. It seems why alongside having Dad’s army in midfield we so often only ever have Haaland in the box when we attack.
Lavinda Past
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You don’t think he was a good natural finisher though do you?
131 goals says he was a more natural finisher than the vast majority of players for City, and, other than Billy Meredith, the most natural finisher who was a winger.
Only Leroy Sane came close to Raheem as a wing playing finisher fir City in the modern era.
That's what matters to me. Raheem Sterling deserves a lot more respect than he gets in these pages.
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The problem is potential, when do we stop claiming potential and either change the system or the player? Looks great but a bit meh in the end product.
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Savinho has a bit more control about him to believe that he could eventually get up to scratch. Has shown plenty of potential this season to think there's more to come.He's a flash in the pan. We've released better wingers from the academy than Doku, and Jesus Navas was more effective even at 37/38.
His name shouldn't even be thought of when mentioning SWP, Leroy Sane, Raheem Sterling or Riyad Mahrez.
I can't believe fans' expectations have actually dropped so low to think Doku and Savinho are 'City quality'.
Doku? Erratic beyond belief. Doesn't look like the type who can refine his skillset much beyond beating his man and fluffing the subsequent pass/cross.
I kinda get it, we haven't signed bonafide talents and only works in progress but the thing is, we rarely do sign bonfire talents and have often relied upon bringing up a highly touted prospect in a well oiled machine over thr last few years.Indeed.
I am really disappointed with the vibe here at the moment. We would all like to win, but we are judging young players in a negative fashion when we have been crippled by injury and illness for much of the season, with no senior players performing to anything like their historic capability.
Jeremy Doku is a huge prospect, and I imagine that fans of other clubs look on enviously at the young talent we have managed to recruit, while a section on here act like they've had their arse slapped, criticising the young players we have, and deriding anyone we are linked with as not good enough. Perhaps a few wins will help the vibe, but I have never known the place so negative and removed from reality.
They seem to suck in towards the 10 spot and are basically redundant. It's infuriating to watch because at times the ball gets spread and if they were wider it would be a simple quick pass to them but they are tucked in and thus just becomes dead ball and reset try again. If they stayed wider and focused on back post more often it would be far more beneficial.What baffles me now is when we play the 2 wingers the one without the ball still hugs the other touch line and is never arriving at the back post. Clearly Sterling worked really hard on almost becoming a 2nd striker when we attacked down the other side. The amount of tap ins he got from just being there took his goal scoring to another level. Don’t get me wrong one of Sterling’s biggest strengths was his movement but very often he just burst a gut to be at the back post.
It looks like something we’ve bizarrely gone away from. The 2 wingers now clearly aren’t great finishers but rarely arrive at the back post. In Doku’s case almost never. I just can’t see how if it was something they were told to regularly in training that they wouldn’t be trying to do it in matches. It seems why alongside having Dad’s army in midfield we so often only ever have Haaland in the box when we attack.
Not disputing his record is superb. Don’t think he was a great finisher though by any stretch. His movement was brilliant but also his desire to get into the box, particularly the back post. If him or Sane were running clean through i know who my money would be on to finish the chance. As you say though it’s Sterling who has the better scoring record.Just shows goal scoring is something that can be worked on.131 goals says he was a more natural finisher than the vast majority of players for City, and, other than Billy Meredith, the most natural finisher who was a winger.
Only Leroy Sane came close to Raheem as a wing playing finisher fir City in the modern era.
That's what matters to me. Raheem Sterling deserves a lot more respect than he gets in these pages.
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What are you seeing with Doku that makes you think he's a huge prospect? Other than the fact he's reasonably young still and therefore by default has some room for growth and development? I don't see him as any better than a Saint Maximin type because the similarities are there for all to see. He doesn't strike me as the type who has it in him to refine his game to make more intelligent runs, release the ball at the right times more often than not and generally make better decisions with his final cross/pass.Indeed.
I am really disappointed with the vibe here at the moment. We would all like to win, but we are judging young players in a negative fashion when we have been crippled by injury and illness for much of the season, with no senior players performing to anything like their historic capability.
Jeremy Doku is a huge prospect, and I imagine that fans of other clubs look on enviously at the young talent we have managed to recruit, while a section on here act like they've had their arse slapped, criticising the young players we have, and deriding anyone we are linked with as not good enough. Perhaps a few wins will help the vibe, but I have never known the place so negative and removed from reality.
I don't doubt he'll always have that 'get you on the edge of your seat' quality because he does go past people for fun, but I think he's severely lacking in many other areas and has an awful lot of coaching to be drilled into him for him to reach whatever potential you think he has.
Against the very best teams and their defenders he has created continual opportunities for himself or for others. He is excellent one on one and forces teams to double-up, which creates space for team mates. It is obvious that his choice of final pass is not the best, but I feel this has been hamstrung by our slowness in attack and the growing propensity for the low block. If we can become more direct as an option to our play, I think he will thrive. As it is, I imagine many rival fans consider him to be one of the most dangerous in the league.What are you seeing with Doku that makes you think he's a huge prospect? Other than the fact he's reasonably young still and therefore by default has some room for growth and development? I don't see him as any better than a Saint Maximin type because the similarities are there for all to see. He doesn't strike me as the type who has it in him to refine his game to make more intelligent runs, release the ball at the right times more often than not and generally make better decisions with his final cross/pass.
I don't doubt he'll always have that 'get you on the edge of your seat' quality because he does go past people for fun, but I think he's severely lacking in many other areas and has an awful lot of coaching to be drilled into him for him to reach whatever potential you think he has.
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I'd like to see the numbers for meaningful chances he's actually created against the best sides. I'm not convinced they're that high. He gets himself into great areas often but what comes after beating a man is still a major source of frustration for me. No one likes playing against pace and unpredictability and he brings that to the table. He can generate chaos. But when it comes to delivering for teammates I'm imagining someone like Haaland finding him a nightmare to play with because how the hell you're supposed to predict when a delivery is heading his way from Doku I've no idea.Against the very best teams and their defenders he has created continual opportunities for himself or for others. He is excellent one on one and forces teams to double-up, which creates space for team mates. It is obvious that his choice of final pass is not the best, but I feel this has been hamstrung by our slowness in attack and the growing propensity for the low block. If we can become more direct as an option to our play, I think he will thrive. As it is, I imagine many rival fans consider him to be one of the most dangerous in the league.
I've been pretty scathing of him I know. Believe it or not i want him to improve and develop to the point where he's a success for us. I just don't see him having the attributes required but more than happy to be proven wrong if it means City are successful in future. I don't imagine a City team under Pep being at its best with erratic wingers .
Well hopefully we are better structured next season and he gets an opportunity to shine then. If he can't flourish in a well structured side then his potential isn't gonna be met with us.The problem is potential, when do we stop claiming potential and either change the system or the player? Looks great but a bit meh in the end product.
I'd like to see the numbers for meaningful chances he's actually created against the best sides. I'm not convinced they're that high. He gets himself into great areas often but what comes after beating a man is still a major source of frustration for me. No one likes playing against pace and unpredictability and he brings that to the table. He can generate chaos. But when it comes to delivering for teammates I'm imagining someone like Haaland finding him a nightmare to play with because how the hell you're supposed to predict when a delivery is heading his way from Doku I've no idea.
I've been pretty scathing of him I know. Believe it or not i want him to improve and develop to the point where he's a success for us. I just don't see him having the attributes required but more than happy to be proven wrong if it means City are successful in future. I don't imagine a City team under Pep being at its best with erratic wingers .
Even this season, in the 94th percentile for assists and 95th percentile for expected assists. Successful dribbles, 99th percentile.
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Forgive my ignorance here I can't make head nor tail of those numbers. Numbers never have been my strong point!
Even this season, in the 94th percentile for assists and 95th percentile for expected assists. Successful dribbles, 99th percentile.
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