12,000 points first day of sale for Cardiff Away

[Eccles Blue]

I am going to be really miffed if I don't get a ticket for this as I bought my rail tickets a couple of weeks ago because last season I was able to apply for the away tickets on the first day but this Cardiff one means I can't apply until tomorrow and I was going down to the ticket office first thing tomorrow morning. I hope they have some left after what sounds like a debacle!!

 

[SWP's back]

If a 7 year old lad can amass 8k loyalty points then that proves if you put the time/effort/money in you can quickly rise up the system.

Come up with a reason why a ten year rolling period would be unfair to anyone yet?

 

[allan harper]

If a 7 year old lad can amass 8k loyalty points then that proves if you put the time/effort/money in you can quickly rise up the system.

Come up with a reason why a ten year rolling period would be unfair to anyone yet?

How can it be fair that I amass more points then someone else this season, meaning I've spent more time/money than that person, then in 10 years time we both have our points wiped out for this season. I'm not seeing what you're seeing mate.

 

[Bozzie]

I posted just after 9am on the tickets sub-forum that it seemed like anyone could order regardless of points.

The whole thing was a mess
- first you had to pick a block in the SE corner of the Etihad (it's Cardiff AWAY FFS)
- then it tried to make me pay with a different card than the one I wanted to use so I selected the option to change the card, entered the details and proceded with the puichase. It charged the first card instead!!
- you have to accept the terms and conditions of purchase before completing the order. If you follow the link to read them it launches a website called ihatetermsandconditions.com which appears to be a tool for web developers and certainly doesn't list any t&c's. Seriously.
- I sussed out that all my friends/family list could place an order so ordered a ticket for my lad on 7800 points. Went through no problem.

I see they've taken the Cardiff game down off sale now and are probably scratching their heads wondering what to do now its nearly sold out. Amateurs.

This absolutely fills me with joy and laughter !

As previously posted, I've already committed to travel and accommodation expecting to be able to purchase a ticket. If I miss out because people with more points than me have bought them, then fair enough there's not a lot I can do about it. If I miss out because the club have not adhered to the points criteria then I'll be mighty pissed off but with no chance of doing anything about it.

 

[Tonster]

I posted just after 9am on the tickets sub-forum that it seemed like anyone could order regardless of points.

The whole thing was a mess
- first you had to pick a block in the SE corner of the Etihad (it's Cardiff AWAY FFS)
- then it tried to make me pay with a different card than the one I wanted to use so I selected the option to change the card, entered the details and proceded with the puichase. It charged the first card instead!!
- you have to accept the terms and conditions of purchase before completing the order. If you follow the link to read them it launches a website called ihatetermsandconditions.com which appears to be a tool for web developers and certainly doesn't list any t&c's. Seriously.
- I sussed out that all my friends/family list could place an order so ordered a ticket for my lad on 7800 points. Went through no problem.

I see they've taken the Cardiff game down off sale now and are probably scratching their heads wondering what to do now its nearly sold out. Amateurs.

Just to clarify, it's not asking you to choose a block in the Etihad, the SE corner is the corner you get at Cardiff which you have to pick and then one of the blocks 118, 121 or 122 are all the away blocks at Cardiff (it's just the fact that for some reason it shows the etihad as the stadium plan)

Although I agree the rest has been a shambles again...

 

[SWP's back]

If a 7 year old lad can amass 8k loyalty points then that proves if you put the time/effort/money in you can quickly rise up the system.

Come up with a reason why a ten year rolling period would be unfair to anyone yet?

How can it be fair that I amass more points then someone else this season, meaning I've spent more time/money than that person, then in 10 years time we both have our points wiped out for this season. I'm not seeing what you're seeing mate.

Why should it be fair that everyone's was wiped pre 2001?

A rolling ten year period would reward continued loyalty which is what the club care about at the end of the day.

 

[citizen]

Come up with a reason why a ten year rolling period would be unfair to anyone yet?

How can it be fair that I amass more points then someone else this season, meaning I've spent more time/money than that person, then in 10 years time we both have our points wiped out for this season. I'm not seeing what you're seeing mate.

Why should it be fair that everyone's was wiped pre 2001?

A rolling ten year period would reward continued loyalty which is what the club care about at the end of the day.

They couldn't give a shit about loyalty as long as they get the money

 

[allan harper]

Come up with a reason why a ten year rolling period would be unfair to anyone yet?

How can it be fair that I amass more points then someone else this season, meaning I've spent more time/money than that person, then in 10 years time we both have our points wiped out for this season. I'm not seeing what you're seeing mate.

Why should it be fair that everyone's was wiped pre 2001?

A rolling ten year period would reward continued loyalty which is what the club care about at the end of the day.

Why the need for the 10 year rolling period, the club reward loyalty without it? Everyone has had the opportunity to get extra points by going platinum and signing up to all cup schemes, that's every season ticket holder.

There was a poster on here some time back who said there is an high percentage of season ticket holders who've never been to a cup game, that isn't showing the same loyalty as those that attend these fixtures, so why the need to punish those fans.

I've given you an example of how quickly points can be quickly amassed.

I remember the days when I couldn't get a united away ticket but in time I've claimed the ladder, likewise so will others, in time.

 

[East Level 2]

Why should it be fair that everyone's was wiped pre 2001?

Because the club didn't record who went to away games before 2001 and in those days there was more opportunity to pay on the gate. I think season ticket holders got a number of points based on how long they'd held them with the maximum set at five years. I assume that was because they didn't have easy access to how long each person had held them, but had S/Ts classified as 1st year, 2nd year, 3rd year, 4th year and regular (or something like that).
In my opinion the current system is as good as any I've read about, but I would say that as I have loads of points. My main gripe has always been the platinum scam to get double points, and far worse the cup schemes which offer far greater rewards for attending relatively low-cost home games compared to travelling to high-cost away games.
Also, the idea of giving a cup scheme member more chance of a cup final ticket than a non-scheme member with more points is a disgrace.

 

[Regular Joe]

If a 7 year old lad can amass 8k loyalty points then that proves if you put the time/effort/money in you can quickly rise up the system.

Come up with a reason why a ten year rolling period would be unfair to anyone yet?

How can it be fair that I amass more points then someone else this season, meaning I've spent more time/money than that person, then in 10 years time we both have our points wiped out for this season. I'm not seeing what you're seeing mate.

For arguments sake let's say 1,000 points are available each year if you attend every game.

Fan A has 10,000 points. He has been to every game for 10 years and will keep going to every game.
Fan B has 5,000 points. He has attended half the games in the last 10 years, and will continue to attend half of them.
Fan C has 0 points now but is now old enough to start going and plans to attend every game.

Under the current points system it would take 10 years for Fan C to catch Fan B and he will never catch Fan A.
Under the proposed 10 year rolling points system Fan C will overtake Fan B after 5 years, and finally be on a par with Fan A after 10 years.

Those sort of timescales in the rolling system feel right to me.

If you are Fan C the current points system stinks. Fan B has always been less committed than Fan C, but he's older so he'll stay ahead in the queue for the next 10 years. He'll take the high-demand ticket you could have had, but he'll smugly point out to you on Bluemoon that he's time-served and if you really want to catch him you need to go to Crystal Palace on a Tuesday night (he won't be going personally, he never does those sort of games).

Fan A has nothing to fear from a rolling points system.