15 minute cities

[mexico1970]

Of town planning?

To avoid unnecessary time spent travelling in between places.

You can't fit everything you need into an area that is 15 minutes walking or cycling it just isn't practical. I have just read the working from home mob saying it's better for them, what about all the other people who work in factories and lower paid jobs where will it affect them?

So it's just a pipe dream from the off, most places have medical hubs libraries and schools within a 15 minute walk or bike ride.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Libraries too. Maybe there is a conspiracy in which the new and better books are only available in the nicer areas ;)

I cannot understand why some would not want important amenities in their local area. If anything, it is about ensuring you don't have concentrations of amenities in one area and not others.

Well yeah, but in reality, we're seeing services more and more concentrated meaning people have to travel. Local Post Offices are closing. Even things like hospital are having important specializations consolidated, so that if you have one illness, you have to go to this hospital, and if you have a different illness, you have to go to a different hospital. In a city, that's probably not a big deal, but I've known plenty of people in Barrow, for example, who have to travel over an hour to Preston for regular treatment because the local hospital no longer offers it.

 

[KPXBLN]

According to a friend who would know, this "druid" used to be a regular face on the fringes of environmental protests, against new roads, etc. Interesting to see how anti-vax/anti-lockdown shit seems to make strange bedfellows.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It's about encouraging businesses to different areas, so they are not just concentrated in one part of the city, and taking into account, for example, office space and retail units when regenerating an area or planning significant housebuilding programs.

But how are you going to do that. I'm sure it's already many times cheaper to set up an office in Uxbridge rather than central London, but companies aren't do it. How much incentive can you give them?

 

[metalblue]

You can't fit everything you need into an area that is 15 minutes walking or cycling it just isn't practical. I have just read the working from home mob saying it's better for them, what about all the other people who work in factories and lower paid jobs where will it affect them?

So it's just a pipe dream from the off, most places have medical hubs libraries and schools within a 15 minute walk or bike ride.

Indeed.

If it is unnecessary to travel more than 15 minutes why aren’t people already doing everything within their 15 minute radius? Cart before horse springs to mind here.

 

[Manc in London]

My point would still be, what's the point?

Well, it would involve not relying on cars and a poor public transport infrastructure. Would it therefore not be ideal that you can access important amenities by foot or bike? Climate change is an issue.

It is also about improving access unless you think it is not important that someone, for example, with a physical disability can more easily get to access public services, have the opportunity to work locally etc..

It is urban development focused on residents. I honestly cannot see how that would not be a good thing.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You can't fit everything you need into an area that is 15 minutes walking or cycling it just isn't practical. I have just read the working from home mob saying it's better for them, what about all the other people who work in factories and lower paid jobs where will it affect them?

Well most factories aren't located within the densely populated areas of cities. Perhaps they won't have to go further away to use facilities when they get home from work?

If they have a low paid job in care or retail maybe they could transfer to an employer based closer to their home when an opportunity arises because of this new planning initiative.

Are there no low paid people working from home?

So it's just a pipe dream from the off, most places have medical hubs libraries and schools within a 15 minute walk or bike ride.

How can it be a pipe dream if much of it already exists?

It’s like saying Man City winning the champions league is pipe dream when we have already got to the final and are consistently bookies favourites.

 

[mexico1970]

Well, it would involve not relying on cars and a poor public transport infrastructure. Would it therefore not be ideal that you can access important amenities by foot or bike? Climate change is an issue.

It is also about improving access unless you think it is not important that someone, for example, with a physical disability can more easily get to access public services, have the opportunity to work locally etc..

It is urban development focused on residents. I honestly cannot see how that would not be a good thing.

We have amenities as close as they want anyway, what do people want a hospital with all the specialist facilities within walking distance? That just isn't feasible and it's quite frankly ludicrous.

Urban development might sound catchy but in reality we already have it.

 

[mexico1970]

How can it be a pipe dream if much of it already exists?

Which is what I have already said, it's just another catchy tune that people vlogging in cafes eating their cornflakes have come up with.

 

[metalblue]

It's about encouraging businesses to different areas, so they are not just concentrated in one part of the city, and taking into account, for example, office space and retail units when regenerating an area or planning significant housebuilding programs.

It's not about 'you must live within a short walk or bike ride of where you work'. It's a more holistic approach to planning.

Once upon a time there was a very prosperous city called Birmingham, countless businesses were setting themselves up there and the capita per head exceeded London. The then Labour government didn’t like that all these new businesses and industries being so concentrated around this one city of Birmingham so started to “encourage them to different areas” …this well meaning intention killed a city in under a decade, if at first you don’t succeed try try again….