16 | Rodri - 2021/22 Performances

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I disagree though, Rodri doesn't win the ball a lot. It's one of his biggest weaknesses, it just rarely gets exposed as we dominate possession so often.

We'll have to agree to disagree, I don't see Rodri as a key component. You could argue he is, but it's only due to his lack of competition for the place, rather than any overwhelming contribution to the side. IMO, at least.
Over the last year or so:

42.4% of successful dribbles tackled (90th percentile)
37% successful pressure percentage (98th percentile)
** Defined as the percentage the squad wins the ball back within 5 secs of pressure
76.9% aerial win percentage (99th percentile)
12.88 ball recoveries (96th percentile)

Even with using basic stats, Rodri does that part of his job well enough.

Add that to his borderline elite possession, passing and press resistant rates, he's not a weakness.
 
Over the last year or so:

42.4% of successful dribbles tackled (90th percentile)
37% successful pressure percentage (98th percentile)
** Defined as the percentage the squad wins the ball back within 5 secs of pressure
76.9% aerial win percentage (99th percentile)
12.88 ball recoveries (96th percentile)

Even with using basic stats, Rodri does that part of his job well enough.

Add that to his borderline elite possession, passing and press resistant rates, he's not a weakness.

Source for those stats? Some of them are collective team stats? Fail to see how you can include them.

90th percentile for successful dribbles tackled as a defensive mid poor, especially given he usually only commits to duels he's favourite for, and often still gets done. Getting successfully dribbled past 58% of the time is really poor. I fail to see how you highlight that as a positive, he's literally a holding mid in front of the back four, his job is to win the ball and make interceptions when we're out of possession.
 
Source for those stats? Some of them are collective team stats? Fail to see how you can include them.

90th percentile for successful dribbles tackled as a defensive mid poor, especially given he usually only commits to duels he's favourite for, and often still gets done. Getting successfully dribbled past 58% of the time is really poor. I fail to see how you highlight that as a positive, he's literally a holding mid in front of the back four, his job is to win the ball and make interceptions when we're out of possession.
Over the last 365 days

Kante- 47.9%
Kimmich- 30.9%
Busquets- 38.5%
Casemiro- 37.4%
Ndidi- 40.2%
Fernandinho- 34.0%

In the same time, Rodri was 42.4% over the past year. Yeah, he's no Kante but he's not "really poor."
 
Rodri does break up plays, does prevent counter attacks, does link up play from deep in both halves, maybe Pep has a broader opinion of his role and plays him because he fulfils the role Pep sees. At his best Ferna was much more than a midfield destroyer and much more than what you term a "so-called DM".
I actually think its one of the things he's best at (breaking up play) and its often high up the pitch. He causes so many turnovers in the opposing third.
 
I disagree though, Rodri doesn't win the ball a lot. It's one of his biggest weaknesses, it just rarely gets exposed as we dominate possession so often.

We'll have to agree to disagree, I don't see Rodri as a key component. You could argue he is, but it's only due to his lack of competition for the place, rather than any overwhelming contribution to the side. IMO, at least.
Do you know which one in our team is actually Rodri?
 
Over the last 365 days

Kante- 47.9%
Kimmich- 30.9%
Busquets- 38.5%
Casemiro- 37.4%
Ndidi- 40.2%
Fernandinho- 34.0%

In the same time, Rodri was 42.4% over the past year. Yeah, he's no Kante but he's not "really poor."

Still haven't provided a source mate.

And like I said, stats don't tell the whole picture. Rodri rarely gets involved in physical tussles or one v one battles, usually only doing so when he's favourite, as otherwise he usually comes off second best.

No-one is going to tell me he's a more successful challenger of the ball than Casemiro or Fernandinho.
 
Source Premier League Player Stats - Passes

Midfield Stats - 2020-2021

In passes last season - Rodri #1
Headed interceptions - Rodri #5
Touches - Rodri #2
Tackles - Rodri #19
Dispossessed - Rodri #48

Now, given we have the highest possession in the league, to be 19th of all midfielders in tackles won yet 48th in dispossessed is outstanding. He is 5th in midfield appearances, has the most passes, the 2nd most touches, the 5th most headed interceptions.

I have now given a source and data for all midfielders for a whole season. If your opinion is still fixed, we can leave it there.
 
Still haven't provided a source mate.

And like I said, stats don't tell the whole picture. Rodri rarely gets involved in physical tussles or one v one battles, usually only doing so when he's favourite, as otherwise he usually comes off second best.

No-one is going to tell me he's a more successful challenger of the ball than Casemiro or Fernandinho.
You can go by your eye test with no statistical evidence or backing and that's your right.

You can use any number of statistical platforms out there to find rate based stats for footballers. Rotowire, squawka, fbref, whoscored, sofifa, opta, etc.
 
You can go by your eye test with no statistical evidence or backing and that's your right.

You can use any number of statistical platforms out there to find rate based stats for footballers.

Or you can highlight numbers that could be entirely made up and not cite your source.

Legitimate stats are worthless without the eye test. They'd have you believing Fred was a better passer of the ball than De Bruyne because his average percentage complete was higher. Patently nonsense.
 
Or you can highlight numbers that could be entirely made up and not cite your source.

Legitimate stats are worthless without the eye test. They'd have you believing Fred was a better passer of the ball than De Bruyne because his average percentage complete was higher. Patently nonsense.

Sure, you need to actually watch the games as well as look at the stats. But when people (not talking about you in particular here) are making claims based on what they think they remember that are categorically untrue ("Rodri only passes backwards" is a good example), it's useful to get some objective data points in the mix
 
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