1894 group safestanding meeting

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Best of luck, bring it back.

Absolutely best of luck.

I was under the impression though that it's a Government thing, or is it just a case of convincing the local authority to implement it? I don't know, but it would be great if we could have it back in a safe way.

The bizarre thing is that it's a legal thing by central government that stadiums have to be all-seater but effectively a local thing that you have to sit on the seats (as opposed to standing).

So the scenario of installing rail seats (thereby still meeting government legislation requirements) but the local licencing authority permitting standing could be feasible in theory.

You are not breaking any law in standing up. It is a government regulation (note not legislation) that stadiums have to be all seated.
The stadium regulations require that you sit in your seat - and as my right honourable Mod PB points out, that is a local authority based issue.

The reason the Football Licensing Authority (or whatever they are called now) will not approve rail seating is because they will (and I quote) ''encourage fans to stand''

 

[dennishasdoneit]

Ok this is a medium term goal for the group to see safestanding implemented at City.

We have an event in Manchester city centre 2pm til 4pm sat 6th dec before everton (ko 530pm)

Guests are jon darch from the safestanding campaign, john leech lib dem mp and City fan and we've also invited the blue union, everton's similar group because we play them that day and they also support safestanding

We just want people who genuinely care about the atmosphere to be there so if you want more details please mail us - the1894group@yahoo.co.uk

Event is free to attend but we rely on donations so we are doing a raffle and will ask for the odd couple of quid voluntarily to help fund the display v. Palace

Can't make that due to bastard work but wanted to say well done for not letting this issue simply slip away.
Anyone with half a brain should know by now that safe standing areas would be safer than the current situation where people stand in areas designed solely for seating. With the modern rail systems it's a no-brainer.
Unfortunately there are a couple of very strong voices who will still not give safe standing areas the time of day and actively use the media to
discourage any rational debate.
Well played to you lot for having a go.

well said SB.

 

[Corky]

Absolutely best of luck.

I was under the impression though that it's a Government thing, or is it just a case of convincing the local authority to implement it? I don't know, but it would be great if we could have it back in a safe way.

The bizarre thing is that it's a legal thing by central government that stadiums have to be all-seater but effectively a local thing that you have to sit on the seats (as opposed to standing).

So the scenario of installing rail seats (thereby still meeting government legislation requirements) but the local licencing authority permitting standing could be feasible in theory.

You are not breaking any law in standing up. It is a government regulation (note not legislation) that stadiums have to be all seated.
The stadium regulations require that you sit in your seat - and as my right honourable Mod PB points out, that is a local authority based issue.

The reason the Football Licensing Authority (or whatever they are called now) will not approve rail seating is because they will (and I quote) ''encourage fans to stand''

Regulations are not primary legislation, they are add ons in effect but are still the law. It is just easier than going through the whole process. It may be different in the US of States to it is in England and Wales, but it is the latter that counts.

 

[inbetween]

If a political party stood up and said they'd legalise safe standing, they'd get huge amounts of votes

Which one of the main political parties would be willing to stray from the norm and do this though?

Absolutely none of them as they are all clones, afraid to stray from their corporate sponsors wishes.

Those who oppose Safestanding to me also oppose this sport being for the common man as it would also encourage more realistic ticket pricing for the everyday wage if introduced.
These seated stadiums just make this sport exclusive and excludes everyday people from attending their local clubs.

Hmm, what should I choose today... a £30 football ticket but then we have to go to the food bank?
or a shop at Aldi?

It does my nut in about safe standing that anyone thinks it's dangerous. You should see my commute on the train, your rammed in stood up and then to make matters worse the train is bobbing about all over the place. Now if Northern Rail can keep me alive on a moving train stood up, why can't we manage a group of people stood up in a large enclosed area.

German teams manage and in this day and age where we have tons of technology to support stewards, why are we just completely incapable of making it work here. I understand Hillsborough and all of that stuff but that was not caused by standing, it was caused by completely incompetent management of an ever escalating situation. That would never happen because we have the technology to limit how many get in the ground and we have a much better equipped police force to deal with it all with CCTV everywhere.

 

[SWSB]

Are we saying if we have safe standing our fans would be noisier? As Corky said; foreign fans make far more noise than us, and they are in a seated area! If it's for making the area cheaper, then I would support it. I don't think the atmosphere would be better just because fans are in a standing area, because that's what they do now in the south stand and along the side of the east stand and I Have never known atmosphere so bad this season! Away from home no problem.

 

[yerwot?]

Despite all evidence to the contrary, and the actual reasons for H'boro being well known for years, some people choose to blame standing for the disaster, with an evangelical resolve to oppose any attempt to make them aware that people standing in seated areas is dangerous, causes problems for those who want to sit.
I cannot believe any legislation exists that specifically excludes 'rail seats', so stadiums that hosts events where standing is not banned should be entitled to fit them.
Despite all logic, i fear we are pissing against the wind , craven politicians, owners who only act for profit, the low esteem football fans are held in, even the traditional english resistance to 'change' will prove too much.

 

[bluegoal]

Contact the Football Supporters' Federation - gets fans of other clubs down there too.

I urge anyone reading this to contact their MP, ask what their stance on the subject is and if pro, get them down at the event too.
I know Stringer is in favour - get your MP there......

My MP is George Osborne,he might not make it

how posh are you?

 

[dawlish dave]

Wishing you all the best for your "event". I will get the early train up from Devon to attend, now tell me were and when your "event will be taking place.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

The bizarre thing is that it's a legal thing by central government that stadiums have to be all-seater but effectively a local thing that you have to sit on the seats (as opposed to standing).

So the scenario of installing rail seats (thereby still meeting government legislation requirements) but the local licencing authority permitting standing could be feasible in theory.

You are not breaking any law in standing up. It is a government regulation (note not legislation) that stadiums have to be all seated.
The stadium regulations require that you sit in your seat - and as my right honourable Mod PB points out, that is a local authority based issue.

The reason the Football Licensing Authority (or whatever they are called now) will not approve rail seating is because they will (and I quote) ''encourage fans to stand''

Regulations are not primary legislation, they are add ons in effect but are still the law. It is just easier than going through the whole process. It may be different in the US of States to it is in England and Wales, but it is the latter that counts.

My point is the regulation only requires the stadium to be all seated. It says nothing about having to sit in them.
It is the stadium regulation that requires fans to sit down - which is not a law and therefore fans are not breaking the law by standing up.
They are breaking stadium regulations - the same stadium regulations that say it is OK for standing up at a concert......

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

i agree with what your doing, But I believe its pricing that is the biggest effect on atmosphere. young lads like me, in the 18- 25 bracket can't afford to go, its just to expensive for this group of fans. Safe standing will hopefully bring these fans together but only if its unallocated and low priced.

We are missing the local young lads that used to make the atmosphere, now the only people in the main that can afford to go are middle aged men. theres no where in the ground for people that age like there used to be, safe standing areas will help this. You only have to look at some of the away day videos to see how old our fan base is at the minute, the young vocal support is there. Focus on lowering price and it will get better imo

 

[whp.blue]

Contact the Football Supporters' Federation - gets fans of other clubs down there too.

I urge anyone reading this to contact their MP, ask what their stance on the subject is and if pro, get them down at the event too.
I know Stringer is in favour - get your MP there......

My MP is George Osborne,he might not make it

Gorge Galloway may attend he's had previous contact with City fans

 

[wearethesouthstand]

Go back to the days just before all seater grounds. Say there was 30000 in maine rd. 15000 would be on the kippax and 15000 would be in the seats.

Half the crowd preferred to stand. With their mates. It was also very cheap so even though our fan base has expanded a lot of our support went because it was affordable. The club has not quite grasped that yet. Getting pricing wrong where the end result is having to give away free tickets for champions league games.

 

[DarloBlue]

Are we saying if we have safe standing our fans would be noisier? As Corky said; foreign fans make far more noise than us, and they are in a seated area! If it's for making the area cheaper, then I would support it. I don't think the atmosphere would be better just because fans are in a standing area, because that's what they do now in the south stand and along the side of the east stand and I Have never known atmosphere so bad this season! Away from home no problem.

Away fans are usually noisier because of the type of fan that travels to away matches. also, as they are all put in a few blocks then everyone who wants to sing is in one place.

if you had a standing area then fans who are up for singing can move into there and stand in groups of people they know. currently, if a few mates go to the match they are likely to be spread around the ground and therefor cant really generate any noise unless the people round them are up for it too.

 

[dawlish dave]

Àny chance of a update as to were and when for Sat 6th Dec, would help anyone travelling to attend before the game.

 

[BlueKolarovWorker]

Will there be anywhere to sit at the meeting??

 

[Deleted member 58678]

There are plenty of clubs the youngsters can go and watch standing. If it was such a big factor why did the new generation follow City?

Away at Chesterfield, £15, all standing very poor crowd and a wall to piss on. Doncaster was standing too same price didn't sell out. Both were competitive 1st team games close by for not much money. Was the atmosphere any better? No.

The safe standing atmosphere myth, if fans fan to create n atmosphere they will, and if they don't they won't. How many great great atmospheres at CoMS have been created by away fans from other countries? Do they bother about the seats?

I don't want to sit down watching the football and standing up at grounds as they are now is unsafe. The amount of injuries i've had from seats is getting beyond a joke. I've got permanent lumps on my shins from the amount of times i've twatted them on the seats in front celebrating goals and once i went that ballistic celebrating a Vassell goal at Old Trafford i ended up cracking a seat in front, falling over and nearly putting the sharp edge of the seat through my cheek. With rail seats (safe standing) i'd never have any of that.

 

[SteWadda]

There are plenty of clubs the youngsters can go and watch standing. If it was such a big factor why did the new generation follow City?

Away at Chesterfield, £15, all standing very poor crowd and a wall to piss on. Doncaster was standing too same price didn't sell out. Both were competitive 1st team games close by for not much money. Was the atmosphere any better? No.

The safe standing atmosphere myth, if fans fan to create n atmosphere they will, and if they don't they won't. How many great great atmospheres at CoMS have been created by away fans from other countries? Do they bother about the seats?

I don't want to sit down watching the football and standing up at grounds as they are now is unsafe. The amount of injuries i've had from seats is getting beyond a joke. I've got permanent lumps on my shins from the amount of times i've twatted them on the seats in front celebrating goals and once i went that ballistic celebrating a Vassell goal at Old Trafford i ended up cracking a seat in front, falling over and nearly putting the sharp edge of the seat through my cheek. With rail seats (safe standing) i'd never have any of that.

I think you only have yourself to blame, even people who want to sit down stand up to celebrate a goal.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Go back to the days just before all seater grounds. Say there was 30000 in maine rd. 15000 would be on the kippax and 15000 would be in the seats.

Half the crowd preferred to stand. With their mates. It was also very cheap so even though our fan base has expanded a lot of our support went because it was affordable. The club has not quite grasped that yet. Getting pricing wrong where the end result is having to give away free tickets for champions league games.

You only have to see what it's like at Wembley when we go there or places like Blackburn and Old Trafford for cup games...everybody stands (most of the lower tier at Wembley) up and i'd bet only a small number of people don't want to who are amongst it all.

With us having a small lower tier we would need to spread the area of safe standing, if, when, we finally get it. 6000 standing is very small in a 60000 stadium, very small indeed. If the Anfield Kop ever got it, it would hold 18000 on it's own, that's without any other place in Anfield having it.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

There are plenty of clubs the youngsters can go and watch standing. If it was such a big factor why did the new generation follow City?

Away at Chesterfield, £15, all standing very poor crowd and a wall to piss on. Doncaster was standing too same price didn't sell out. Both were competitive 1st team games close by for not much money. Was the atmosphere any better? No.

The safe standing atmosphere myth, if fans fan to create n atmosphere they will, and if they don't they won't. How many great great atmospheres at CoMS have been created by away fans from other countries? Do they bother about the seats?

I don't want to sit down watching the football and standing up at grounds as they are now is unsafe. The amount of injuries i've had from seats is getting beyond a joke. I've got permanent lumps on my shins from the amount of times i've twatted them on the seats in front celebrating goals and once i went that ballistic celebrating a Vassell goal at Old Trafford i ended up cracking a seat in front, falling over and nearly putting the sharp edge of the seat through my cheek. With rail seats (safe standing) i'd never have any of that.

I think you only have yourself to blame, even people who want to sit down stand up to celebrate a goal.

Doesn't help when you have three lads jumping on top of you, one from two rows behind! :D

 

[Patientman63]

Will there be anywhere to sit at the meeting??

Boom boom tishhhhh....