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So your saying never underestimate the number of idiots out there that will crawl out of the woodwork to vote for lying faux patriotic right wing arsholes that will run an adimistration solely and brazenly for their own benefit while being cheered on by their deluded suppport base. Got it.
What I am saying is don't trust polls. Trump will have huge support that go about their business quietly, as not to do so leads to claims of being racist from clearly bigoted individuals such as yourself. Now, by your own actions, can you see the problem? ... I hope so.
 
I seem to recall an attempted kidnapping/murder plot on a Democrat Governor by supporters of the President and this attempt partly excused by that President.

I also recall armed white militia storming the Statehouse in the same State with no action taken.

And that’s just one highlight.

But, yeah, no need to get alarmed.

Fuck’s sake.

Not forgetting children being separated from their parents with no mechanism for re-uniting them.

Yeah we have all lost our minds
 
And in a few years we definitely won't be feeling the effects of him nominating 2 completely unqualified right wing partisan hacks to the supreme court.

I'd love to know your indepth analysis on why these two highly respected legal scholars are actually "unqualified partisan hacks".
 
Is the US in a civil war now?

Is Islam a banned religion?

I must have missed that piece of news.

The US far right has been powerful and present for as long as the US has existed. It wasn't that long ago that they were hanging black people from trees and demanding that their children not be in the same school as black people. Let's not pretend that a country where nationalism seems to be seen as a positive trait and every politician stands behind a flag shouting God Bless America has not had a long history of far right ideologies within their political system. In fact the Power of Nightmares documentary pointed out 20 years ago that US culture demands an enemy (Nazis, Soviets, Communists, Islam, etc) in order to function and that was decades before Trump was anywhere.
That must explain why most Americans think the President is the enemy.
 
I'd love to know your indepth analysis on why these two highly respected legal scholars are actually "unqualified partisan hacks".

Why ask me? The American Bar association, which bipartisanly rates every supreme court nominee already rated Kavanaugh as such and ACB's 2 years on the bench didn't make her highly respected by anyone.

The fact she literally broke the law in having her confirmation at a political event or the fact she refused to say she would follow the law before her religion was enough for any serious person to write her off.


I don't think you've spent any time at all looking into these 2 judges and what they stand for.
 
On the eve of the result, I keep remembering.

I think of 2016 after Trump won. The prediction of World War 3, nuclear holocaust, rounding up and imprisonment of minorities, legalised murder, fascist dictatorships and the KKK.

What did we get? Basically nothing. No big wars, no genocides or tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue, no war with Russia or Syria, no concentration camps for Muslims. In the end we got a strongly opinionated and pretty uncouth standard Republican. Legislatively, the country is almost no different now than it was 4 years ago - no major changes have been made outside of the SCOTUS which is basically a luck of the draw type thing depending on when people retire or die, and even that's a continuation of existing legislation rather than a change to the structure.

All that energy, all that paranoia and screeching and impotent rage and what actually changed as far as the US is concerned from 4 years ago? Very little. Nothing that can't be changed back in about a month. Trump's Presidency had exactly the impact that I always believed it would and the predictions led where I always believed they would.

In 10 years nobody will remember a single detail of his Presidency and instead they'll be focused on the next Republican who is definitely a racist fascist and going to be the end of us all, just like Trump was, just like Romney was, just like Bush was. Hell, he might even become a figure of "well he wasn't that bad" if he gives out some sweets to the First Lady and does a bit of painting.

When I think of the last 4 years, I won't think of what the US right gained but instead what the US left lost. They lost their perspective, they lost their rationality and they lost their moral high ground. They lost their minds. And all for a one note no mark President who didn't achieve anything and will have no historical impact at all. Sad to see. Let's hope that Trump Derangement Syndrome as the right called it was always a real thing and once he's out of office, some semblance may return.
In other words you're still living in the same house doing the same thing so nothing's changed.

Try asking the families of the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have died unnecessarily or the families of the Kurdish fighters he betrayed. What about the hundreds of kids caged near the Mexican border who will likely never see their parents again. How about all those now living under the jurisdiction of a resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan, under Assad in Syria and under effective Russian rule in eastern Ukraine. Due to lack of US leadership and a united western alliance China's authoritarian regime has taken the opportunity to increase its worldwide influence and Trump's handler in Russia is doing what the fuck he wants with no pushback including launching biological warfare on English soil. His best buddy Kim Jong Un has accelerated his missile programme and Iran have effectively been given the green light to further develop their nuclear programme. He's also withdrawn from the Paris climate agreement and is intent on reversing course on trying to limit carbon emissions. Another 4 years of this chump will see a lot of those actions start to have even more serious consequences.
 
Why ask me? The American Bar association, which bipartisanly rates every supreme court nominee already rated them as such.

Highly Respected? Not by their peers.

The ABA rated the two Justices are unqualified partisan hacks?

Someone better tell the ABA because here is their well qualified rating of Comey


And here is their well qualified rating of Kavanaugh

 
No other administration used the policy (condemned by the ONHCR and Amnesty International amongst others) of removing children from their parents solely as a deterrent.

Well that's a different claim from what he originally said and feeds into my "nothing that cant be undone quickly" idea rather well
 
Do not believe any polls where one of the choices is controversial. We've seen it with Brexit, Trump 1st time and 2019 General Election.

The reality is people are not stupid and are hardly going to declare their true voting intentions if those intentions are going to lead to people calling them racist etc. They will however still go and vote for what they believe. You can guarantee that for every newly registered voter on the back of BLM there will also be one who will register to support Trump. Remember he doesn't have to win the popular vote, just the electoral college and can do so with probably as little as 45% of the popular vote as long as he takes the key states. In short this is going down to the wire and we could see some states so close that the military votes arriving from overseas, and 2 to 3 days late, could swing it either way.

Don't look at betting as they work of exit polls and rely on people being truthful. At 9.55pm on Brexit Day, I was stood outside a William Hill packing up my Vote Leave paraphernalia and the girl left the betting office telling me we had no chance and Leave was now 10/1 against! Of course I accepted that and went off to my local count very subdued. By 11pm as the 1st boxes opened I could see that what the polls had said and what people had voted were 2 different things. By 2am, there were Remainers in tears as my local area recorded 57% Leave and similar margins were being shown across the UK.

I'm not fussed who wins in America today as frankly we have enough homeland issues to deal with but to discount Trump based on media bias would be foolish.
I don't agree. Of course there have been no wars or tanks on Pennsylvania Avenue. But things have changed for the worse for individual Americans in many different ways. The USA now seems to be far more polarised than it was and that won't go away by weekend.

I read a piece about the politicisation of the justice system, not just at Supreme Court level but at lower, circuit level.

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/backstory-the-fifth-circuit-wasnt-always-the-most-conservative-court-around-6715354

The whole basis of the legitimacy of the US democratic process has been called into question, either by claiming fraud or voter suppression. Foreign relations have been soured.

There have been attempts to remove or restrict healthcare to millions of less well-off Americans or those who suffer from pre-existing conditions. Over 500 migrant children have been separated from their parents and now seemingly can't be reunited because they simply don't know who they are.

Some states are denying abortion to women and some police forces seem to think they can break the law, up to and including murder, with impunity.

A lot has changed.
 
The ABA rated the two Justices are unqualified partisan hacks?

Someone better tell the ABA because here is their well qualified rating of Comey


And here is their well qualified rating of Kavanaugh


The ABA dropped Kavanaughs rating and put it under review before he was confirmed.

I am interested in why you think these 2 will do no damage. Have you read Kavanaughs concurrence in the Wisconsin voting case? Have you read ACB's views on Abortion and contraception?

Also, what about the other 9 federal judges deemed "Not qualified" by the ABA, will they do no long term damage in their lifelong appointments?
 
The ABA rated the two Justices are unqualified partisan hacks?

Someone better tell the ABA because here is their well qualified rating of Comey


And here is their well qualified rating of Kavanaugh

The ABA focuses on a person's "professional qualifications" and does not take into consideration their "philosophy, political affiliation or ideology" when making its determinations.

In other words she's got the appropriate certificates.
 
I don't agree. Of course there have been no wars or tanks on Pennsylvania Avenue. But things have changed for the worse for individual Americans in many different ways. The USA now seems to be far more polarised than it was and that won't go away by weekend.

I read a piece about the politicisation of the justice system, not just at Supreme Court level but at lower, circuit level.


The whole basis of the legitimacy of the US democratic process has been called into question, either by claiming fraud or voter suppression. Foreign relations have been soured.

There have been attempts to remove or restrict healthcare to millions of less well-off Americans or those who suffer from pre-existing conditions. Over 500 migrant children have been separated from their parents and now seemingly can't be reunited because they simply don't know who they are.

Some states are denying abortion to women and some police forces seem to think they can break the law, up to and including murder, with impunity.

A lot has changed.

Well, no tanks yet, but it has become a militarised zone...

 
The USA now seems to be far more polarised than it was and that won't go away by weekend.

Polarisation by its very nature requires two sides. To suggest that the US left have been trying to be conciliatory and Trump is the reason for the state now, rather than the natural progression of a country that was becoming increasingly more polarised since about the 1960s is a stretch

The whole basis of the legitimacy of the US democratic process has been called into question, either by claiming fraud or voter suppression.

Bush vs Gore?

There have been attempts to remove or restrict healthcare to millions of less well-off Americans or those who suffer from pre-existing conditions. Over 500 migrant children have been separated from their parents and now seemingly can't be reunited because they simply don't know who they are.

Policies that can be changed rather quickly (and I'd argue that healthcare "reform" is pretty much a standard Republican policy rather than Trump specifically) and predated Trump.

Some states are denying abortion to women and some police forces seem to think they can break the law, up to and including murder, with impunity.

Which they've been doing for at least 80 years.

A lot has changed.

Actually my point was that legislatively not a lot has changed. Not to suggest that the Trump Presidency hasn't changed culture in some way because every single thing in the mainstream changes culture in some way; but my general point about how in 2016 and onwards there has been a constant "end of the world" narrative around his Presidency which never materialised is pretty sound.
 
The ABA focuses on a person's "professional qualifications" and does not take into consideration their "philosophy, political affiliation or ideology" when making its determinations.

In other words she's got the appropriate certificates.

It was his definition, not mine. And I'm fairly sure that the meaning of the word "qualification" here doesn't mean "she's got a law degree" but looks at their actual work too
 
The American news media have lost all sense of professionalism and impartiality. There are few American journalists any more; they are all simply pundits pushing their own personal political agenda.
Journalistic integrity disappeared years ago.

There's no investigations as to why certain politicians have become wealthy since becoming politicians! There's no investigations as to why companies get a pass and why they don't pay taxes etc., because the news cycle is part of the problem. They have their interests as that involves profits and therefore favorability/ deaf ears.

It's much much easier to shape agendas that way and people tend to to look too closely because they're told what they're told.

It's much easier to focus on the vile president rather than the years before generation changing challenger.

I lost interest in the media in its current format and trust it less now that Bezos is looking to acquire CNN!!

This place is an echo chamber in its worst offering and don't (or won't) understand the shadings of difference between the Dem and GOP establishments.
 
Polarisation by its very nature requires two sides. To suggest that the US left have been trying to be conciliatory and Trump is the reason for the state now, rather than the natural progression of a country that was becoming increasingly more polarised since about the 1960s is a stretch



Bush vs Gore?



Policies that can be changed rather quickly (and I'd argue that healthcare "reform" is pretty much a standard Republican policy rather than Trump specifically) and predated Trump.



Which they've been doing for at least 80 years.



Actually my point was that legislatively not a lot has changed. Not to suggest that the Trump Presidency hasn't changed culture in some way because every single thing in the mainstream changes culture in some way; but my general point about how in 2016 and onwards there has been a constant "end of the world" narrative around his Presidency which never materialised is pretty sound.
His environmental policies are pretty end gamey.
 
The ABA focuses on a person's "professional qualifications" and does not take into consideration their "philosophy, political affiliation or ideology" when making its determinations.

In other words she's got the appropriate certificates.
Fun fact:

Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett are the second and third SCOTUS judges appointed by Republicans who also acted for the Republican Party in the Bush v's Gore court battles. Joining Roberts. So 3 of the 9 Justices have a background in working for the GOP in contesting elections.
 
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