2020 US Elections

[DrBlueBob]

Agreed.

The years of the wealth gap growing has put the seed of doubt in people's minds.

One may abhor the president's antics and behaviour but, as a couple of our US members have said, their '401ks' are looking very pretty and healthy, right now. Even if these members have their own sense of 'civic duty', can you imagine those that may weighing up the dilemma of wealth over equality...?

Pretty much every voter. As I said each vote is cast by an individual for that individual to give power to the party that they feel will govern according to how the voter wants to see their country governed. Unfortunately, if I am weighing up that dilemma then nine times out of ten my situation wins over someone elses. I suppose that one votes according to how well off they are under any given administration whilst at the same time hoping that their choice does the right thing by the masses.

 

[Bigga]

Oh yeah, maybe 2024 will be Bernie's year!

Or Sen. Nina Turner's!

 

[mat]

After that debate I'm convinced Trump doesn't give a fuck if he loses the election because he's going to be awarded it by the Supreme court.

Not that simple. Each state looks after its own process and count. The only thing Trump can do is challenge a result in a specific state and even then he has to challenge it in a way that changes the result. Assuming there is a way to change the count i.e. by removing all mail in ballots as an example then that has to be enough to swing a state to him and then he would still need enough states to win.

Bush was in this scenario and only need to change Florida - they challenged Florida and threw out a couple of thousand ballots that swung the whole thing. Chances are it wont be that close (or he has to do it on a massive scale).

His proud boys would think otherwise.

I hope the polls are right and the only thing we have to worry about is making sure he leaves the Whitehouse without setting it on fire or leaving a giant shit on the oval office desk.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Let me just add a couple of things here.

The Dems have agreed to these "pro-rich" tax cuts AND have funded the military as requested. None of it challenged. They've also allowed Judge Chen to be fast tracked into the senate, stupidly, without registering dissent on the pick. Well, that was clever.

I think Harris' past will come back at her in 2024. Despite what the media says, she's not as Progressive as they want you to think. Her flip-flop on healthcare and her record on crime will tell you that much.

Sorry, I have no idea who Judge Chen is.

Also, I didn't say Harris was progressive, that's been discussed here at extreme length. I said she'd want to stand in 2024.

It doesn't really matter what the Democrats may or may not have done - it's an either/or vote between two choices. One has abused the presidency and actively incites division, and seems a safe bet to continue to do so if allowed. There are no other alternative winners in the election.

 

[Bigga]

Sorry, I have no idea who Judge Chen is.

Also, I didn't say Harris was progressive, that's been discussed here at extreme length. I said she'd want to stand in 2024.

It doesn't really matter what the Democrats may or may not have done - it's an either/or vote between two choices. One has abused the presidency and actively incites division, and seems a safe bet to continue to do so if allowed. There are no other alternative winners in the election.

Supposed to read Judge Cohen.

Didn't press the letter hard enough.

And the "doesn't really matter" narrative that keeps being put forward is a false one.

It can and will lead to people deciding to vote or not.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Supposed to read Judge Cohen.

Didn't press the letter hard enough.

And the "doesn't really matter" narrative that keeps being put forward is a false one.

It can and will lead to people deciding to vote or not.

Oh, okay. Um, I don't know who Judge Cohen is either!

People feeling disenfranchised is a bad thing obviously, but not voting is guaranteed to not fix anything. It's a circular argument "they don't care so we don't vote so they won't care".

 

[super_city_si]

Or Sen. Nina Turner's!

She's simply the best.....oh wait

 

[super_city_si]

After that debate I'm convinced Trump doesn't give a fuck if he loses the election because he's going to be awarded it by the Supreme court.

His proud boys would think otherwise.

I hope the polls are right and the only thing we have to worry about is making sure he leaves the Whitehouse without setting it on fire or leaving a giant shit on the oval office desk.

If he loses the election he is going to attempt to fuck so much shit up so he can tweet on the sidelines at what a terrible job Biden is doing.

Right after he pardons himself of all wrongdoing of course

 

[west didsblue]

Easily. It's not a fact.

It's an allegation made by the Senate Republicans for which they produced no evidence, apart from a secret document they won't show anyone. The 2 minority members of the committee both said there was zero evidence tying Biden to $3.5m payment on that document.

The Republicans also sent out zero subpoena's to the company the money was sent to, or any of the employees of that company to make the allegation a fact, backed up by financial records and testimony because they know it's not true.

They didn't send out any subpoenas because they would have confirmed the actual fact, that Hunter Biden is not connected to Rosemont Seneca Thornton, the consulting company who allegedly received the money.

That's why the attacks don't stick.

In addition the Tara Reade thing had more scrutiny than the 25 allegations against Trump’s sex offending including rape of a child. The reason the Reade thing went away is because there was no corroboration and her story had more holes than Swiss cheese.
Anyway I think we may have found another Trumper in @Father Paul . Amazing how many there are and how they keep coming out of the woodwork.

 

[Bigga]

Oh, okay. Um, I don't know who Judge Cohen is either!

People feeling disenfranchised is a bad thing obviously, but not voting is guaranteed to not fix anything. It's a circular argument "they don't care so we don't vote so they won't care".

FFS, I'm wrong there. too.

She's Amy Coney Barrett!! She's someone whom the dems are 'fearful' in case she votes as a ring winged judge.

Now, that's out of way, I've been listening to scholarly professors on the subject of voting and the way forward, especially Black people.

There's an understanding of every four years there'll be an argument that the following election is "the most consequential in history" and it's wearing thin. They even discussed, as I have, how the Black vote is not sought until the time is right.