2020 US Elections

[kaz7]

Some admission.

Pretty much criminal negligence.

The republicans tie themselves in knots defending trump , it is shameful what they have done for four years , particularly since his impeachment , no morals whatsoever

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Ouch!!!!

 

[Bigga]

Even in this telling, which I disagree with, choosing not to vote for Joe Biden, which in a two party system is essentially a vote for the incumbent, is still fucking stupid. The house is on fire and we're arguing over the color of the hose.

This is fucking funny!

As pointed out in the 'Malcolm X' thread, you don't know you're a part of a system where you believe you're liberated enough to know the 'supposed' way forward. Neoliberalism and neo-fascism are natural orders as a political consequence of the same policies of the former.

#45, himself, isn't neofascist. He wants to be loved by anyone/ everyone, he's been in videos has friends like Tyson and Fiddy etc.

No neofascist has that character.

He has Steven Miller, who is the guy in his ear.

Now he IS a fascist without a doubt.

 

[cjn]

This is fucking funny!

As pointed out in the 'Malcolm X' thread, you don't know you're a part of a system where you believe you're liberated enough to know the 'supposed' way forward. Neoliberalism and neo-fascism are natural orders as a political consequence of the same policies of the former.

#45, himself, isn't neofascist. He wants to be loved by anyone/ everyone, he's been in videos has friends like Tyson and Fiddy etc.

No neofascist has that character.

He has Steven Miller, who is the guy in his ear.

Now he IS a fascist without a doubt.

Why is it funny? The choice, if you're on the left, is either elect a guy who might get some good things done, and who you can try to persuade, or re-elect the guy who we absolutely know won't pursue any left ideas and will stack the judicial bench with 40 year old right wingers. I appreciate what you're saying but the election is a binary choice.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm not one for defending Trump and his handling has certainly been diabolical, but you could apply this comparison to other countries such as the UK, France, Spain. All have a deaths per million of 500 - 700. Plus we're only half way through the pandemic, there's still a long way to go.

I'm of the opinion that it would have been bad whoever was in charge, although based on population densities I expected the US at this stage to have a lower deaths /million than the UK, say around 500 to our 650.

Yeah.



I’d say he can have a substantial amount of blame laid at the feet of his administration.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Of course all the US Covid deaths aren’t Trump’s fault but if he’d followed scientific advice right from when he became aware of it, and if he hadn’t already dismantled the pandemic response capability months earlier there is absolutely no doubt that the number of deaths would have been much lower. His negligence and incompetence will also have had an effect on worldwide Covid deaths due to the US probably having the most connections to other countries in the world, and an appropriate policy could have slowed the spread enormously. It’s impossible to put a figure on it because there’s so many variables but several countries in SE Asia had a handle on it from the outset and are still doing relatively well despite being close to the source of the outbreak. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that Trump’s negligence and deliberate sabotage of the response could be directly or indirectly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide, particularly in South America.

Again I don't disagree but the point I was originally replying to was the deaths per million, and for that the US isn't that far away from the figures in many other western countries not run by Trump. I already acknowledged that I estimate them to be above where they should be.

Anyway just an opinion. I'll keep them to myself in the future, not worth discussing differing viewpoints sometimes on here.

 

[Bigga]

Why is it funny? The choice, if you're on the left, is either elect a guy who might get some good things done, and who you can try to persuade, or re-elect the guy who we absolutely know won't pursue any left ideas and will stack the judicial bench with 40 year old right wingers. I appreciate what you're saying but the election is a binary choice.

"...but the election is a [forced]binary choice", yes I'll agree there is no choice now in this manufactured election.

The US are constantly brainwashed into believing things told by politicians in the face of opposing evidence. It's why you continued to believe Progressives wouldn't win against a right winged politician. Years and years of propaganda assaulting the brain. Years and years of believing capitalism is the way.

Biden is the same guy as any other capitalist driven politician/ businessman with the end result in keeping the wealth gap. So, yes, to any fucktards not understanding, they are basically BOTH THE SAME in this regard.

You will ALWAYS get shades/ degrees of difference with neoliberal politics.

As much as you may tout Sanders on your side, he's warning Biden on his 100 day action and more.


Watch it if you want, but the comments section is more interesting to get a view on what the belief is where Biden and anything progressive is concerned.

 

[BigOscar]

"Rather than blame Hitler for the Holocaust, we should instead blame the neolibs that allowed him to rise to power in the first place"- Bigga in the 1940's

 

[1.618034]

Pretty much sums up the entirety of my thinking (all 8 parts of the thread).

No one, with any sense, could argue with any that. Could they?

 

[SWP's back]

No one, with any sense, could argue with any that. Could they?

No one with any sense, no.