2020 US Elections

[Deyna18]

Both were a total embarrassment to the US. I can stand back and see why the UK elected Boris and equally see why the labour party elected Starmer as leader. But how can it be that the American people now face the choice between these two clowns.

 

[Bigga]

You have confused "trying to be all things to all people" with "wanting to endorse neo-nazi's without actually saying it out loud".

Dom!!! Nooo!

I don't think #45 knows what he wants or knows hows how to get there.

I do think he wants to be 'loved' and that entails not denouncing directly anybody if he can get away with it, publicly.

I think the rhetoric of Stephen Miller plays into his speeches now, especially off the cuff as he thinks it plays to his base. I'm just not sure how fully he believes it, himself, as he's in and out on a lot of 'stances'.

 

[domalino]

I doubt that is true. @Bigga has been most vociferous in his viewpoint that American politics is broken and how Biden isn't the fix but tbf of late I feel that there is more acknowledgment on his part that Trump is most definitely bad.

It seems that most peoples perceptions that Trump has to go and then we'll try and get back to normality is a flawed vision as he feels nothing will change. As is my wont I seem to have a foot in both camps. Certainly I feel Trump is a demagogue with no place in any form of high office. Whether the way forward for America under a democratic leadership will solve the problems, well I just don't know the answer to that particular conundrum. I hope we get the chance to find out.

The problem is that it's been apparent for at least 2 1/2 years that if Trump stays in power for another term, there will never be a change, or a return to normal.

He has already appointed 217 federal judges. Out of 870.

If he is reelected, that number will top 500. And he's appointing 40 year old fundamental right wing christians who are deemed unsuitable by the American Bar Association.

When that happens, there is no path back to normal. Bigga often talks about how much he hates the neolibs, well guess what, all of those judges are the extreme embodiment of Neoliberalism.

If you care at all about consumer rights, women's rights, LGBT rights, the environment, universal healthcare or anything that Mitch McConnell doesn't personally endorse, you would never question how important it is to get Trump out of office.

If he actually cared about the things he rallies against on this forum, he'd have been supporting anyone but running against Trump for years.

 

[DrBlueBob]

@DrBlueBob

See...? I don't even have to prove what I'm saying is correct. Not ONCE have these people recognised the issues directly. Not ONCE have they admitted the path to today's issues has created this monster.

They'll just attack me for an inherent truth but not to me, about me, through someone else.

It's a joke you're getting dragged into.

As I have said before; But it's Trump. Pithy eh? I am trying hard not to be dragged into any jokes though. Too serious an issue. I can genuinely see both points of view and to my mind most peoples opinions cover the same large overlapping parts of a Venn diagram. The way forward beyond Nov 3rd is important.

 

[west didsblue]

You're not very bright are you?

Biden's been in the political arena for 40+ years, compared to not even 4 to the president.

What I've said makes COMPLETE SENSE, but you can't bear being objective!!

If you were being objective about Trump you wouldn't be making up pathetic excuses for him and caveating every condemnation with a "but".

And I didn't mention Biden in my post so I'm not sure why you're mentioning his length of time in public service unless you're defending Trump again. Which you obviously are.

 

[Bigga]

Which is a response oft used by Jabber the Nut.

No idea who that is, but facts are facts.

He, literally, doesn't know how to respond to things politically.

I will say it's his issue for not learning the job and shouldn't have delegated important things away, but that's what business people do, at the 'top'.

They deal with 'oversight' as the rule.

 

[DrBlueBob]

I 'liked' the comment based on the majority of what you said, but I don't think he's politically suicidal.

Why would he give himself no outs based on a fringe group??

Misspeak is more likely the issue.

He said stand back and stand down. If he misspoke meaning stand down then by that logic he meant to say stand down and stand down which would clearly be mental.

In my opinion he had an opportunity to denounce white supremacists but it would seem that as someone who is not politically suicidal he feels that by obfuscating he furthers his own agenda, ie by tacitly giving the proud boys etc enough fog to interpret his words as a call to arms. Judging by the reaction from said groups and further from his own tweet asking for polling overseers then I would say he has had his desired effect.

As you say we all knew how this would play.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

No idea who that is, but facts are facts.

He, literally, doesn't know how to respond to things politically.

I will say it's his issue for not learning the job and shouldn't have delegated important things away, but that's what business people do, at the 'top'.

They deal with 'oversight' as the rule.

Yeah, was trying a new nickname but doesn't quite work!

 

[west didsblue]

Both were a total embarrassment to the US. I can stand back and see why the UK elected Boris and equally see why the labour party elected Starmer as leader. But how can it be that the American people now face the choice between these two clowns.

Another "They're both as bad as each other" merchant.
Pathetic.

 

[DrBlueBob]

The problem is that it's been apparent for at least 2 1/2 years that if Trump stays in power for another term, there will never be a change, or a return to normal.

He has already appointed 217 federal judges. Out of 870.

If he is reelected, that number will top 500. And he's appointing 40 year old fundamental right wing christians who are deemed unsuitable by the American Bar Association.

When that happens, there is no path back to normal. Bigga often talks about how much he hates the neolibs, well guess what, all of those judges are the extreme embodiment of Neoliberalism.

If you care at all about consumer rights, women's rights, LGBT rights, the environment, universal healthcare or anything that Mitch McConnell doesn't personally endorse, you would never question how important it is to get Trump out of office.

If he actually cared about the things he rallies against on this forum, he'd have been supporting anyone but running against Trump for years.

Of course I agree with all of that, why wouldn't I. I don't want to be labelled as someone who just blindly agrees with @Bigga or indeed with anyone else for that matter but I maintain that I can understand his stance of not seeing Biden as the answer even if his stance that Biden and Trump being broadly speaking the same is something that I can't agree with.