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The Vice President is a proper Politician. You may disagree with him, but he is a phenomenal debater.

Even when ge is avoiding the question, which he is constantly. He pulls you into the answer he is giving beautifully.

Senator Harris is doing well too. But she's not as polished.
 
The Vice President is a proper Politician. You may disagree with him, but he is a phenomenal debater.

Even when ge is avoiding the question, which he is constantly. He pulls you into the answer he is giving beautifully.

Senator Harris is doing well too. But she's not as polished.
We'll see them both again when they run for president in 2024.
 
We'll see them both again when they run for president in 2024.
If they run, they’ll both be primaried, and NEITHER OF THEM might be on a ticket!

Maybe Biden wins and shortly thereafter has to bow out for health reasons, giving Harris a 3.5 year head start on being presidential? During which time, she picks Buttigieg as her VP, and Republican heads explode all over the country!!

Conversely, it could be an all #MeToo contest of Harris vs Haley, if the GOP can gets its mind around an Indian woman representing their party!!!
 
If they run, they’ll both be primaried, and NEITHER OF THEM might be on a ticket!

Maybe Biden wins and shortly thereafter has to bow out for health reasons, giving Harris a 3.5 year head start on being presidential? During which time, she picks Buttigieg as her VP, and Republican heads explode all over the country!!

Conversely, it could be an all #MeToo contest of Harris vs Haley, if the GOP can gets its mind around an Indian woman representing their party!!!
Whilst I think you're being half facetious, you make the exact point that I was trying to make on Harris in the Biden thread. A LOT of the Black community don't see her as having their rites of passage AND see her as 'Indian' rather than 'Black', which is a relatively new claim of hers.

I think Nikki Haley is an astute shout as well as the ticket viewpoint.

I'm watching the debate again(instead of through sleepy eyes) and not going off biased polls who already have a POV.

I get the sense, though, there wasn't the 'massacre' many on here expected!
 
The Vice President is a proper Politician. You may disagree with him, but he is a phenomenal debater.

Even when ge is avoiding the question, which he is constantly. He pulls you into the answer he is giving beautifully.

Senator Harris is doing well too. But she's not as polished.
It's the fly wot won it.
 
Yeah course he did.




In fairness, I thought Pence won. And the poll might simply be indicative of how partisan the media has gotten over 4 years.

That's partly due to Trump and partly due to just the metamorphic effects of the fragmenting of reality that's happening to us as human. As we begin to share siloed realities.

I can see a situation where CNN simply leaned left 4 years ago. And are hardcore left now. So polling from 4 years ago will not be indicative of polling now.

In my view, Pence did a good job of controlling his tone, style and highlighting whenever Harris was being fuzzy. And was able to fluster Harris on a few occasions.

He talked too long a sometimes, which In light of the disaster from last week was a little annoying.

On the other hand, Harris got some props for mostly focussing on Trump and ignoring Pence. Good Strategy.. She was poorer at failing to answer questions asked (They both often didn't answer the questions asked.) But whatever she pivoted to, didn't hit as well.

I think she won on the Covid issue even though even though Pence had a salient point about Obama/Bidens preparedness.. Harris in my view, failed to land a win after the Covid question.

Now this might be a personal pet peeve, but I hate those tired post debate talking point one liners and zingers. The " excuse me, I'm still talking" followed by not saying anything were dissapointing. I

The most glaring of this was on the issue of Race, which you'd have expected a slam dunk for her. Pence simply just recited her record as a DA and State AG.

In a fair reading of the case (which will never happen in this hyper-parisan time) that exchange would have been the knockout.

Oh and yeah, the only inference I could reasonably draw from watching the debates, is that Biden/Harris will Pack the Supreme Court.
 
In fairness, I thought Pence won. And the poll might simply be indicative of how partisan the media has gotten over 4 years.
I disagree and I’m not shocked you think he won either


I can see a situation where CNN simply leaned left 4 years ago. And are hardcore left now. So polling from 4 years ago will not be indicative of polling now.
How right wing does one have to be to believe that CNN are “hardcore left”. Christ. I’d love to know your ‘Middle’ is

Oh and yeah, the only inference I could reasonably draw from watching the debates, is that Biden/Harris will Pack the Supreme Court.
1) I assume you by ‘stacking’, you mean ‘balancing’ a Court that’s been GoP dominated since 1969.

2) As would be their constitutional right if they have the votes.
 
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I'm watching the debate again(instead of through sleepy eyes) and not going off biased polls who already have a POV.

I get the sense, though, there wasn't the 'massacre' many on here expected!
I don't think Harris needed to massacre Pence to be fair. He showed himself up for what he was last night, and pretty much put the final nail in the coffin on the majority of white, educated female vote at the election.

His antics on the podium last night exactly the kind of misogynistic bully boy behaviour that women have to deal with on a daily basis in workplaces all over the Western World, and the electorate have seen enough.

I think Harris just gave him enough rope to hang himself last night, and he dutifully obliged.
 
Lightweight ;)
I watched in bed.

Harris continued the policy of playing of straight. Pence took advantage of the moderator again and spouted bullshit neither the moderator and rarely Harris did.

More respectful than the big boys one but felt Harris was shackled. Her body language wanted to call out the bullshit. You could see the frustration in her.
 
Pence wiped the floor with her...."will you pack the court"...………..boom
That answer was pure projection.

The only way Biden will be able to pack the court is if the majority of conservative judges cark it.

If Trump gets his way they will have a generation of rights stripping granted.
 
I don't think Harris needed to massacre Pence to be fair. He showed himself up for what he was last night, and pretty much put the final nail in the coffin on the majority of white, educated female vote at the election.

His antics on the podium last night exactly the kind of misogynistic bully boy behaviour that women have to deal with on a daily basis in workplaces all over the Western World, and the electorate have seen enough.

I think Harris just gave him enough rope to hang himself last night, and he dutifully obliged.

What did he do?
 
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