2020 US Elections

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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think we need to look again at 'democracy' - it keeps delivering the wrong results.
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IMHO The principle of democracy is robust... its the measurement of 'winning' thats the problem. Here in the UK we cock it up with redrawing of constituency borders and the FPTP system (the only other country that operates FPTP is Belarus) and the Tories want to start to apply voter suppression as well. As outlined in their (somewhat thin) manifesto.

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In the States they also redraw districts to capture votes and operate an outdated Electoral College (designed to satisfy the southern states in segregation of their population ) and also suppress the vote as well.

As I have said many times

Conservatives will always be with us , when they realise that they cannot win the will not abandon Conservatism they will abandon democracy.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Do we actually know that though? Or like a lot of other things in this election, is it just an assumption by people working for the media? I know the out-and-out Trumpians don't give a shit about coronavirus, but surely there's a huge number of older voters who don't want to go to polling stations who would have voted Republican.
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I'm inclined to believe this one on postal/early voters being Democrats but you're definitely right to bring up just how the media have been so far.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
IMHO The principle of democracy is robust... its the measurement of 'winning' thats the problem. Here in the UK we cock it up with redrawing of constituency borders and the FPTP system (the only other country that operates FPTP is Belarus) and the Tories want to start to apply voter suppression as well. As outlined in their (somewhat thin) manifesto.

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In the States they also redraw districts to capture votes and operate an outdated Electoral College (designed to satisfy the southern states in segregation of their population ) and also suppress the vote as well.

As I have said many times

Conservatives will always be with us , when they realise that they cannot win the will not abandon Conservatism they will abandon democracy.
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I agree, but it needs to be the winning side that demand the reform or it just looks like sour grapes.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Do we actually know that though? Or like a lot of other things in this election, is it just an assumption by people working for the media? I know the out-and-out Trumpians don't give a shit about coronavirus, but surely there's a huge number of older voters who don't want to go to polling stations who would have voted Republican.
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Apparently surge in Latino, black and elderly support for Trump looks like it has confounded the predictions in favour of Biden. The media only seem to have convinced middle class educated white people that Trump is racist.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
It’s not racist to want stricter immigration control or border checks.
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thats true but the reasoning that was put forward by some very vocal and visible supporters of brexit during the campaign was racist. There was then little if no distancing of their views by the rest of the vocal and visible supporters of brexit.
 
rickmcfc said:
What I don’t get, CNN have figures scrolling along the bottom of their own news channel screen with the votes that have already been counted, and also have % remaining to count. In 5 states using their own figures, Trump is ahead by some way which is pointing to the fact that Trump will win. Then out comes Trump and announces exactly the same, backing up CNN’s figures and then CNN blast him for doing so. No wonder there is ultimate fucking confusion
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I'm watching CNN and you've just lied.

CNN keep saying that the votes have to be counted and explaining the late counts will likely favour Biden. Trump is saying that he can't lose and that any movement towards Biden is fraud.

Don't fucking lie, there's enough of that coming from the POTUS.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Apparently surge in Latino, black and elderly support for Trump looks like it has confounded the predictions in favour of Biden. The media only seem to have convinced middle class educated white people that Trump is racist.
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A mistake that should have been learned after 2016 - and will hopefully be learned after 2020 - is that black and latino voters cannot be lumped together as a single cohesive unit. They represent tens of millions of people from varying backgrounds, social classes, and walks of life and tend to vote as such. For whatever reason the media and general American public has not caught on to this, it seems
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Do we actually know that though? Or like a lot of other things in this election, is it just an assumption by people working for the media? I know the out-and-out Trumpians don't give a shit about coronavirus, but surely there's a huge number of older voters who don't want to go to polling stations who would have voted Republican.
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We do know that when we look at Virginia that counts votes like the outstanding swing states, at 80% Trump was well ahead then the postal votes were counted and went 75% to Biden and he took the state.
 
yankblue said:
Well said and appreciate it, friend. Maybe there is hope yet?
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Lol no :p



In all seriousness it's really unlikely, especially on a grander scale. It's just far too much effort. Your best bet is just make the effort with the people you can and hope you can trigger a domino effect.


I think with the people we've been discussing, they'd have less radical views with a less radical president. And the way to beat Trump isn't with politics but charisma. I reckon Bill Clinton could have done it. Obama too probably.


Really the answer to all of our problems is Dwayne Johnson.
 
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