2020 US Elections

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SebastianBlue said:
I DEMAND A RECOUNT
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aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
The first step is getting rid of the electoral college and either replacing it with a straight popular vote or ranked voting.

It's obvious the republicans will never want to get rid of the EC and I'm doubtful the democrats will back ranked voting when a straight popular vote would help them more
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That is the constitutional amendment to which I was referring, mate. Getting rid of the EC altogether would be preferable — for reasons I have expounded on earlier in the thread — but it is not required to allow for a multiple party system. Amending to remove the requirement for candidates to receive an EC majority is absolutely required. Until that specific requirement is expunged none of the other reforms that are also necessary will do much good.

I do agree that the Republicans would not back getting rid of the EC given they would lose most elections without it. But I think there is quite a bit of support for it among Democrats. And I also think there is support for ranked-choice voting in both parties (well, in what you would call the ‘Old Republican Party’, anyway).

In fact, I live in the state which was the first in American history (this election) to employ ranked-choice voting for the Presidential election, and it is a ‘purple’ state.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
The first step is getting rid of the electoral college and either replacing it with a straight popular vote or ranked voting.

It's obvious the republicans will never want to get rid of the EC and I'm doubtful the democrats will back ranked voting when a straight popular vote would help them more
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Are you aware of NaPoVoInterCo?
 
We are nearing the point where his shithousery will step up a level or two and the hail Mary's will be getting thrown into the mix.
The next 24 hrs are going to be brutal I reckon with the tiny handed, micro dick owning spunkbubble going all in.
Hopefully the decent folk of the US will stand firm and his bullshit will fail like the majority of things he gets involved in.
The big, daft, dangerous, ****.
 
yankblue said:
Nothing, because there's nothing for him to win and that's now how legal proceedings work. He's just trying to rile up and discredit results because it's the only shot he has left
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He did claim he had won the election yesterday morning. That again, not true.

Give it up and go live in Florida much more fun than running the USA.
 
Bigga said:
It's not meant to extract a candidate from it, but who knows?

The main goal would have been to have an influential voting block, formed a bit like a union.

There's enough of a disaffected and disenfranchised voter to engage. This is would be a party of people able to support to push Progressive candidates to the House and Senate. Right now this happens under the Dem steam and why the DNC does all it can to root out these candidates.

So, a bit like the Lib Dems working with the Tories some years back, would be the intention. Separate but having the ability to sway the balance of power with the working class to benefit.
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This is how third parties currently work in the US.

They could easily get big enough to take house and senate seats. But the reason they don’t is because of structural impediments (@aguerrrroooooooooooo and I were discussing a bit further up the thread) that prevent them from taking the seat where the real money and power is: the presidency. When you can compete for the pinnacle of political power in the US is very difficult to gain supporters, funding, and influence.

Until that is rectified they will always be merely “influencers” and “pushers”, inevitably being consumed by one of the Republican or Democratic parties once they have adopted enough of the third party platform to satisfy the members of that third party. Then the cycle repeats.
 
pudge said:
Folk can oversee ballot openings just like before only he had it spelt out to him like a child so he'd feel special.
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Was just about to post this.

The Trump campaign sued to be granted the rights they already had to observe the ballot counting. It was pure political theatre (and a waste of everyone’s time).

This is a good overview from 538.

CLARE MALONE
NOV. 5, 9:50 AM

The president has been tweeting more this morning about wanting to “stop” the (legitimate, of course) vote count. Apparently, what Trump means, according to his campaign, is that they want to stop the count until the Trump campaign can monitor it (again, as we’ve said before, there is no proof of fraud.) The specific rules for partisans observing the vote-counting process vary from state to state and the National Conference of State Legislatures has a handy guide for those rules. But take for instance, Pennsylvania, which is a pretty big prize today. “Partisan observers are permitted to be present when absentee and mail-in ballot envelopes are opened, and when the ballots are counted and recorded,” the NCSL writes. In Arizona, “Partisan observers are authorized to observe processing at the county recorder’s office.” In Nevada, “Members of the general public may observe the preparation of absentee ballots at central counting boards.” So, it’s unclear why the Trump campaign would argue that these vote counts would need to be stopped so they can observe them; they’re already allowed to observe.
 
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