2020 US Elections

[BigOscar]

Spot on. I work with a Trumpton fanatic who cannot separate "socialism" with "communism"

Yup, just imagine what it would have been like with anyone other than Biden, who's not remotely socialist. They'd much rather back a blatant fascist than someone vaguely associated with socialism

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the White House atm. He must be in so much pain.

Dont worry, many of the people in the room will have book deals ready to go.

 

[Bigga]

Well, without refined composite data, I can’t even begin to try answer your question. And even then any analysis (by anyone) is just going to be a highly educated guess. Though, I obviously do think we should try to make ‘good’ guesses.

But I will say that I don’t think the same ‘socialist’ rhetoric and fear-mongering (on both sides, mind) was used in those previous cycles.

To me, this election saw a distinct shift to 50s style ‘pinko/red scare’ tactics, mostly from the Trump/Republican side, which were not really present in 2016 or the recent previous elections. It was at toxic levels at various times, framed around hyperbolic assertions that the democrats would destroy private property rights, nationalise everything, and control all aspects of an American’s life. This was not just “Obama is gonna take your guns”. This was total societal and economic collapse of the nation. The dial was turned up to 11. It even caused more ferocious infighting within the Democratic Party than seen in 2016. And I do think it was designed, in part, to appeal to the Latinx community who have had horrific direct/indirect experiences with failed socialist states. Whether it actually worked remains to be seen.

I really don’t think previous elections compare.

Well, this is the data I have for Florida in 2016:

Clinton:

1,097,400

64.4%

The Gimp:

1,077,221

45.7%

2020 campaign:

The Gimp:

5,646,949

51.2%

Biden:

5,269,926

47.8

Increased turnout, greater percentage loss. Based on this data, the loss swing I stated earlier is incorrect, but not by a huge margin.

But, as I've said before, I can wait on the post-election forensics to see what's what.

 

[The perfect fumble]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...esult-latest-who-is-winning-live-2020-updates

Steve Kornacki has just given this update on the count in Pennsylvania, and a bit of useful background on why the numbers are falling as they are.

First of all, on the count, he says there are about 160,000 uncounted mail ballots in the entire state of Pennsylvania. On average Biden is winning about 75% of that mail vote. Donald Trump leads by 18,000. So, if Biden is on course to get 120,000 of those remaining votes, which would see him win the state.

Why? Kornacki explains:

In Pennsylvania, you had two options. If you wanted to vote, you could vote by mail or you could go in and vote in person on election day. They didn’t have the early voting centres in Pennsylvania.

He then went on to say that before the election, asking voters in Pennsylvania if they were intending to vote early, 79% of those who were said they would vote Biden. The people who voted on Election Day, he said, were ‘disproportionately Republicans’. Those in-person votes were counted first, now they are counting the mail-in votes.

 

[Bigga]

Is there any truth in the story of something like 27% of the mail in vote in South Florida not having made it through the USPS on time?

Heard the story a couple of days ago but nothing since.

Unaware of it, to be honest.

 

[mexico1970]

How about this for a determining factor, in the Senate Runoffs - Biden and Harris have made a campaign promise to decriminalise marijuana and expunge non-violent marijuana convictions.


Georgia has the 6th highest number of possession only marijuana arrests in the States - Over 35,000 a year.

Oregon have decriminalised hard drugs already.

 

[domalino]

Oregon have decriminalised hard drugs already.

And why is that relevant to Georgians as they vote in a runoff senate election?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

That god bothering robot Mike Pence is very quiet. Trying to put some space between him and the shitgibbon?

 

[Corky]

Trump 12/1 same odds as he was shortly after polls closed in 2016. It is attracting 59% of bets.

 

[mexico1970]

And why is that relevant to Georgians as they vote in a runoff senate election?

It was relevant to the post I was replying to.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Trump 12/1 same odds as he was shortly after polls closed in 2016. It is attracting 59% of bets.

If you want to throw away money go ahead I guess

 

[domalino]

Unaware of it, to be honest.

Educate yourself. Judge Sullivan has already said DeJoy is going to be dragged in to face him under oath and that someone is going to pay for ignoring his order.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Unaware of it, to be honest.

It revolves around the Postmaster General appointed in May by Trump, Louis de Joy.
If there is widespread voter fraud, I would suggest this is the first place to look.
A federal judge wants him to testify about the delays in the mail.

 

[kaz7]

That god bothering robot Mike Pence is very quiet. Trying to put some space between him and the shitgibbon?

He tweeted last night that he stands by don and the legal votes or something like that

 

[Bigga]

Well in the last 4 years we've had Californian protests , May Day protests for Workers rights, Charlottesville Unite rally in which Trump did not denounce the White Supremacists , St Louis protests which went on for weeks when the police officer was found not guilty of murder in the shooting death of Anthony Smith, Memphis Riot for the shooting of Branden Webber, New York FTP protests and then of course George Floyd and Riots all over the country and the rise of the BLM movement all of which Trump's rhetoric has made things even more volatile, more hostile and more fractured - he has purposely split the nation for his own gain.

Biden will not try and go down that road, he will try his best to unite the nation. he might fail, but at least he will try.

A post I agree the sentiment on.

 

[domalino]

It was relevant to the post I was replying to.

I think you replied to the wrong post then, the post you replied to was mine about the runoffs in Georgia

 

[SebastianBlue]

Regarding the USPS mail-in ballot scandal, for those asking about it. The initial 27% non-delivered figure was incorrect, but it has been confirmed that USPS missed their delivery targets for large numbers of mail-in ballots and USPS did simply ignore a court order to sweep their facilities for undelivered ballots for collection and validation.

USPS Ignores Court-Ordered Deadline To ‘Sweep’ For Missed Ballots

A federal judge ordered the agency to search for missed ballots by Tuesday afternoon.

www.forbes.com

‘Someone may have to pay a price’: Judge lashes Postal Service for defying ballot order

The Postal Service did not comply with a last-minute court order to deploy postal inspectors to sweep facilities for undelivered ballots.

www.politico.com

 

[Bigga]

Bullshit alert!!

Honestly, if only you'd check on Biden:

This is Just One of Many

The term "law and order" is itself a natural fit for Trump's vocabulary: Widely associated with white reactionary politics, it has little to do with maintenance of the law and more to do with fomenting racial resentment. As early as 1968, some began to understand the term as "a shorthand message promising repression of the Black community."


But recent polling in key states suggests that voters seem to narrowly prefer Democratic nominee Joe Biden on matters of law and order. Despite punditry to the contrary, it shouldn't be surprising that Biden leads on this issue; he's been running law-and-order campaigns since 1972. It is important to note, however, that Biden is also trusted in handling the protests and race relations. Together, this highlights one of Biden's political secrets to success. For the last 48 years, Biden's fortunes have rested on his ability to present himself as a champion of seemingly opposing issues. November's election will be a test of this decades-running formula.

Biden has his '94 Crime Bill to contend with as well as stating he wants to FURTHER fund the police.

It won't stop shootings nor protests, so how his stance will shake out, nobody knows.

How about being objective instead of reactionary?

 

[domalino]

Honestly, if only you'd check on Biden:

This is Just One of Many


Biden has his '94 Crime Bill to contend with as well as stating he wants to FURTHER fund the police.

It won't stop shootings nor protests, so how his stance will shake out, nobody knows.

How about being objective instead of reactionary?

Huh, if only we had something more up to date than a 26 year old bill (which he has said was wrong) to judge him by...like an election manifesto?

No one running on a ticket with decriminalising drugs, expunging drug only arrests, eliminating cash bail and closing private prisons is running as a "tough on crime" candidate.

Also, Biden's increase funding to the police pledge revolved around the police hiring more social workers, psychologists etc. and bring back community policing.

Which actually means he wants the same as the Defund the Police people, but manage to not use the worst political slogan in the last 20 years.

 

[Bigga]

Educate yourself. Judge Sullivan has already said DeJoy is going to be dragged in to face him under oath and that someone is going to pay for ignoring his order.

Thanks. I won't have my ear to the ground on everything.

You should try to educate yourself on Biden.