2022 World Cup Discussion

[Stephen230]

This is interesting....

That guy says the population of Qatar is 150,000. Most other people seem to think it’s somewhere between 2.6 and 3 million. Bit of a difference of opinion as Tarby might say.

 

[crooky]

Make a change from those two concrete boots he plays in

He's shed those concrete boots and become the next Zidane.

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

2022. So we have progressed quicker than Qatar in terms of societal norms/allowances. But two things:

1.) Qatar as an independent state has only existed for around fifty years, before then it was passed around, pillar to post, even possessed in the 20th century by the angelic British Empire. It's a young country, and thus it's primitive ideals are still very much ingrained; many Middle Eastern countries are the same for the aforementioned reason. Britain, as a nation, has had centuries to iron out any perceived injustices and democratise generally.

2.) And this is the big one, which a lot of people are conveniently overlooking, Qatar is an ISLAMIC STATE. Homosexuality, whether we like it or not, is outlawed by their scripture and moreover frowned upon as a cultural/social phenomenon. It's not for us to tell them to change a key facet of their religion and way of life because they happen to be hosting a football tournament. Everyone now knows this, so if you're that offended, have zero involvement with the World Cup.

There are currently twelve states in the US that still outlaw abortion. And do you know why? Because the bible says so. That's the land of the free, decreeing law on theological foundations. Some might find that as morally repugnant as prohibiting homosexual acts. So where's the faux outrage/virtue signalling bullshit in regards to the US hosting the next World Cup?

On the spectrum of human shitness/corruption, Qatar can legitimately be claimed to be higher than us; but make no mistake, we are on that spectrum. But the UK, along with every other Western utopia, benefits from very pretty window dressing.

So what you are saying is, we have rainbow laces one week and the next go to a World Cup hosted by a nation that jails gays? I’ve never read so much drivel justifying their position. I doubt anybody is claiming the U.K. or any other nation is utopia, but we do seem to be the destination of choice for those being persecuted so we can’t have it too wrong?
The real issue is, Qatar bribed it’s way to a World Cup that brought with it scrutiny it cannot deal with. Any nation that gets a World Cup or Olympics gets scrutiny and criticism. If you aren’t up to taking the scrutiny, save your cash.

 

[Impeccable One]

He's shed those concrete boots and become the next Zidane.

Did you hear that ? …. ‘Take 83, that’s it, it’s a wrap’

 

[Blueknows]

Lots of these clips about the hiring of fake fans being paid

 

[SWP's back]

From The Daily Mail..
“Stoning is a legal punishment and homosexuality or renouncing Islam can attract the death penalty but no one has been executed for those offences.”

The dark side of Qatar: How extreme wealth hides a sinister underbelly

As the 'invasive examination' of 13 Australian women at one of Doha's two commercial airports shows, there are two distinct sides to the Islamic-dominated Arab state of Qatar.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Oh from the Daily fucking Mail…

Stoning is not legal and has never happened in Qatar:

Human rights in Qatar - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So wind your neck back in and stop emulating RAWK and their own attitudes and stereotypes toward our owners. Also pick a better newspaper to read.

 

[Blue and true]

So what you are saying is, we have rainbow laces one week and the next go to a World Cup hosted by a nation that jails gays? I’ve never read so much drivel justifying their position. I doubt anybody is claiming the U.K. or any other nation is utopia, but we do seem to be the destination of choice for those being persecuted so we can’t have it too wrong?
The real issue is, Qatar bribed it’s way to a World Cup that brought with it scrutiny it cannot deal with. Any nation that gets a World Cup or Olympics gets scrutiny and criticism. If you aren’t up to taking the scrutiny, save your cash.

It's not drivel though, those players have worn rainbow laces in the past and are now happily playing in a country which they know, full well, outlaws homosexuality. So if they're that concerned, don't get on the plane in the first place. And the rainbow laces campaign was introduced to vilify homophobia in this country, not a country where Islamic culture is rooted.

It really is this simple, if the outrage over the World Cup in Qatar were as sincere as the media would have you believe, then it wouldn't be going ahead, because the vast majority of involved parties would have pulled out. They haven't, and that screams one word: hypocrisy.

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

2022. So we have progressed quicker than Qatar in terms of societal norms/allowances. But two things:

1.) Qatar as an independent state has only existed for around fifty years, before then it was passed around, pillar to post, even possessed in the 20th century by the angelic British Empire. It's a young country, and thus it's primitive ideals are still very much ingrained; many Middle Eastern countries are the same for the aforementioned reason. Britain, as a nation, has had centuries to iron out any perceived injustices and democratise generally.

2.) And this is the big one, which a lot of people are conveniently overlooking, Qatar is an ISLAMIC STATE. Homosexuality, whether we like it or not, is outlawed by their scripture and moreover frowned upon as a cultural/social phenomenon. It's not for us to tell them to change a key facet of their religion and way of life because they happen to be hosting a football tournament. Everyone now knows this, so if you're that offended, have zero involvement with the World Cup.

There are currently twelve states in the US that still outlaw abortion. And do you know why? Because the bible says so. That's the land of the free, decreeing law on theological foundations. Some might find that as morally repugnant as prohibiting homosexual acts. So where's the faux outrage/virtue signalling bullshit in regards to the US hosting the next World Cup?

On the spectrum of human shitness/corruption, Qatar can legitimately be claimed to be higher than us; but make no mistake, we are on that spectrum. But the UK, along with every other Western utopia, benefits from very pretty window dressing.

Did the American Supreme Court not overturn Roe v Wade in 2022 and remove the right to abortion in all American States? If so talk about gross hypocrisy of our BBC and media mafia ignoring womens rights at home.

Shocked the BBC and its coverage. The idiots in the studio so outraged yet in the host country taking the money.

Seems like the two issues script prepared by the BBC for their mouthpiece muppets will continue to annoy many.

On a night when there are killings in America they forgot to focus on their own doorstep before preaching.

They were never willing to accept the World Cup not going to one their buddy nations and this tripe will continue for the rest of the tournament. Shearer et al should have just gone to a gay bar and not Qatar.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Oh from the Daily fucking Mail…

Stoning is not legal and has never happened in Qatar:

Human rights in Qatar - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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So wind your neck back in and stop emulating RAWK and their own attitudes and stereotypes toward our owners. Also pick a better newspaper to read.

How does that next sentence end?

 

[Impeccable One]

Did the American Supreme Court not overturn Roe v Wade in 2022 and remove the right to abortion in all American States? If so talk about gross hypocrisy of our BBC and media mafia ignoring womens rights at home.

Shocked the BBC and its coverage. The idiots in the studio so outraged yet in the host country taking the money.

Seems like the two issues script prepared by the BBC for their mouthpiece muppets will continue to annoy many.

On a night when there are killings in America they forgot to focus on their own doorstep before preaching.

They were never willing to accept the World Cup not going to one their buddy nations and this tripe will continue for the rest of the tournament. Shearer et al should have just gone to a gay bar and not Qatar.

The right to having an abortion in the USA has not been removed due to Roe v Wade being over turned. It is now available(or not) according to the law of each state.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Did the American Supreme Court not overturn Roe v Wade in 2022 and remove the right to abortion in all American States? If so talk about gross hypocrisy of our BBC and media mafia ignoring womens rights at home.

Shocked the BBC and its coverage. The idiots in the studio so outraged yet in the host country taking the money.

Seems like the two issues script prepared by the BBC for their mouthpiece muppets will continue to annoy many.

On a night when there are killings in America they forgot to focus on their own doorstep before preaching.

They were never willing to accept the World Cup not going to one their buddy nations and this tripe will continue for the rest of the tournament. Shearer et al should have just gone to a gay bar and not Qatar.

I'm wondering why you keep referring to the USA as 'at home' and 'on their own doorstep.' Has the BBC moved or something?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The right to having an abortion in the USA has not been removed due to Roe v Wade being over turned. It is now available(or not) according to the law of each state.

Yeah, and people are acting like there hasn't been a huge amount of criticism about that. Arguably far more than the World Cup being hosted in Qatar.

 

[Bill Walker]

There are currently twelve states in the US that still outlaw abortion. And do you know why? Because the bible says so. That's the land of the free, decreeing law on theological foundations. Some might find that as morally repugnant as prohibiting homosexual acts. So where's the faux outrage/virtue signalling bullshit in regards to the US hosting the next World Cup?

On the spectrum of human shitness/corruption, Qatar can legitimately be claimed to be higher than us; but make no mistake, we are on that spectrum. But the UK, along with every other Western utopia, benefits from very pretty window dressing.

Absolute drivel.
As if you can equate a few states banning abortion to torturing and imprisoning LGBT people, unreal.
What planet do you inhabit ?

 

[Bill Walker]

Don't be. It was shit and weird.

Like the rest of Qatar then ?

 

[Don Karleone]

 

[SWP's back]

How does that next sentence end?

It says apostasy is a capital offence but has never been carried out (same as UAE and fuck all to do with stoning which was the original “funny” joke)

 

[SWP's back]

Did the American Supreme Court not overturn Roe v Wade in 2022 and remove the right to abortion in all American States? If so talk about gross hypocrisy of our BBC and media mafia ignoring womens rights at home.

No. It didn’t remove the right in all states, it overturned it at a Federal level and left it up to individual states to make that determination.

But you’re right, it was a backwards step.

 

[SWP's back]

Brilliant. (Although I’d prefer the lions to not be in captivity).

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It says apostasy is a capital offence but has never been carried out (same as UAE and fuck all to do with stoning which was the original “funny” joke)

It also says later in the same article...

As of 2014, certain provisions of the Qatari Criminal Code allows punishments such as flogging and stoning to be imposed as criminal sanctions.

Presumably they have been superseded other laws but are still technically on the books in the same way that those 'legal to shoot a Welshman in Chester' stuff still exists?

But yeah, let's be honest, as someone who's lived abroad since 2010, I'm fully aware of the habit of ignorant foreign journalists writing with authority about something that they've read a bad translation of on Wikipedia. And let's be honest, in a lot of these countries, what the law says is irrelevant anyway, because the thing about dictatorships tends to be the extrajudicial punishments of 'problematic' people, or lack of proper legal representation for marginalized groups, rather than what the law says.

Having said that, I'm equally wary of upper middle-class expats who argue that it's fine because they've never had any issues getting a beer or being drunk in public. It's about as reliable as taking white people's opinion about how much day-to-day racism there is in society.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Very brave from the Iranian captain.