20MPH Speed Limit - Wales

I'm With Stupid said:
As always, politicians using a law rather than putting any actual effort and money into solving the issues. Areas with high levels of road deaths (per capita) are typically rural areas where people flock there to drive like dickheads. Won't be affected by a 20mph zone in towns and cities.

Urban accidents are caused between clashes between different road users. That can be solved by effective urban design, but that's something that might take decades to implement, so isn't too appealing to a politicians who wants to be an instant hero. In the Netherlands, for example, many neighbourhoods have raised junctions which forces cars to effectively go over the pavement when they want to join the main road. It establishes is as a place for pedestrians, not cars, and creates a natural speed bump, so people naturally drive more carefully. Then add to this, the separated cycle lanes that remove clashes between cars and more vulnerable road users. I wonder how many people are injured because a cyclist is trying to get past a car that has parked in the cycle lane, or get around a bus that has to stop to pick people up. But that sort of thing involves far more work. As I said, it's much easier to just sign something into law and act like you've achieved something.
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It's called justifying their job and justifying their wage, probably from a windowless office at the end of the corridor.
 
Protein Junkie said:
Totally agree with 20mph on Residential streets and where there are Schools and Hospitals but there are restrictions on busy A roads too.
For context 91 people died on Welsh Roads and approximately 900 seriously injured.
The major outliers are young male drivers and Motor cyclists as a percentage of total road users.
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Discrete 20mph zones are fine and most sensible people support them (schools etc) but widespread application of 20mph limit is crazy. We seem to become used to abandoning consensus and imposing unwanted and unpopular restrictions representing a clear minority view - and that will not end well. Where I live, many rural A roads have had large sections where speeds are reduced to 50 mph - which is widely accepted and obeyed. Very few people speed, roads are quite narrow, lots of cyclists around and a few horses. Wholesale application of 20mph in small towns and villages would be a nightmare - pretty well everyone drives as there’s no public transport to speak of.
 
Most countries in Europe are or already have made this change; many counties in England and Scotland likewise are in progress.

None of the supposed awful outcomes projected here have transpired, and the policy generally polls as popular beforehand and even more popular afterwards.

It's not a cure all for every road safety issue but a very sensible step towards a better environment for everyone. Very hard to understand the panic it's inducing, just resistance to change I guess.
 
I wonder how many bored drivers will be on their phones as they crawl along the roads? It’s ok anyway there’s never any fucker around to catch them anyway.
 
Rory Bluelow said:
Discrete 20mph zones are fine and most sensible people support them (schools etc) but widespread application of 20mph limit is crazy. We seem to become used to abandoning consensus and imposing unwanted and unpopular restrictions representing a clear minority view - and that will not end well. Where I live, many rural A roads have had large sections where speeds are reduced to 50 mph - which is widely accepted and obeyed. Very few people speed, roads are quite narrow, lots of cyclists around and a few horses. Wholesale application of 20mph in small towns and villages would be a nightmare - pretty well everyone drives as there’s no public transport to speak of.
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Having previously lived on Anglesey for a number of years I have absolutely no issue with the 20mph limit.
 
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