20MPH Speed Limit - Wales

what about electric bikes, I’ve been overtaken on Manchester Road going into town by a bloke on one, piss funny as he waved to us as he went past.

Electric bikes which conform to law are limited to 15mph for electric assist, but can't be ridden unassisted (ie throttle only operation)

Electric bikes assisted above this speed are subject to moped regulations (ie plates, insurance, speed limits etc)

Loads of people ride illegal e-bikes, of course.
 
Electric bikes which conform to law are limited to 15mph for electric assist, but can't be ridden unassisted (ie throttle only operation)

Electric bikes assisted above this speed are subject to moped regulations (ie plates, insurance, speed limits etc)

Loads of people ride illegal e-bikes, of course.
right past the police who do fuck all....try not taxing or insuring your car though
 
Loads of people do exactly that. Current estimates are a million of them! They're just not so obvious.
ANPR in Manchester is everywhere ...no chance of getting away with it unless cloned plates etc......although I've always taxed and insured my car anyway. Point is Police just watch them go past at 40mph on electric bikes with ballys on.

Loads went past them before the match Sat.
 
ANPR in Manchester is everywhere ...no chance of getting away with it unless cloned plates etc......although I've always taxed and insured my car anyway. Point is Police just watch them go past at 40mph on electric bikes with ballys on.

Loads went past them before the match Sat.

Oh, I agree I'd love to see illegal ebikes off the road. But there are far more uninsured cars it seems.
 
Totally agree with 20mph on Residential streets and where there are Schools and Hospitals but there are restrictions on busy A roads too.
For context 91 people died on Welsh Roads and approximately 900 seriously injured.
The major outliers are young male drivers and Motor cyclists as a percentage of total road users.
 
As always, politicians using a law rather than putting any actual effort and money into solving the issues. Areas with high levels of road deaths (per capita) are typically rural areas where people flock there to drive like dickheads. Won't be affected by a 20mph zone in towns and cities.

Urban accidents are caused between clashes between different road users. That can be solved by effective urban design, but that's something that might take decades to implement, so isn't too appealing to a politicians who wants to be an instant hero. In the Netherlands, for example, many neighbourhoods have raised junctions which forces cars to effectively go over the pavement when they want to join the main road. It establishes is as a place for pedestrians, not cars, and creates a natural speed bump, so people naturally drive more carefully. Then add to this, the separated cycle lanes that remove clashes between cars and more vulnerable road users. I wonder how many people are injured because a cyclist is trying to get past a car that has parked in the cycle lane, or get around a bus that has to stop to pick people up. But that sort of thing involves far more work. As I said, it's much easier to just sign something into law and act like you've achieved something.
And there you have it. the Netherlands separate pedestrians, cyclists and vehicles. We slap some green paint on the nearside of a road 8" wide, usually over a grid and paint white bike on it. We then allow a car to park on it and on the pavement as well. But, as this is about 20mph limits, it is a draconian measure with no thought. The town they trailed it in have unanimously said it didn't work but Drakeford refused to listen because he didn't want to hear the answer.
 

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