#21 | Ferran Torres - 2020/21 Performances

[bluemoon32]

He's been ok so far but imo he's going to go on & be a star, a huge player for us in the future

 

[Horlocksleftpeg]

I think all City fans should know by now to give new signings at least 18 months to fully settle in. He’s got so much to learn, not just our tactics and Peps demands, but also a new league at such a young age. I would like to see him try beat his man though.

I agree and imagine the demands of bedding in to a Pep team are far more demanding than most....I just haven’t seen much from him in terms of raw ability.

Doesn’t seem the quickest and doesn’t really look like he’s got a trick up his sleeve.

He’s been as effective as Sterling though, I’ll give him that. Missing for large parts of games and pops up with a goal or assist.

 

[mccity]

Why does every comment that isn't constant glowing praise have to be labelled as people judging him or writing him off?

We all know it's rare for a player to settle into a Pep side from the off and he will need a bedding in period before we see anything from him but stating he's been entirely anonymous in all but 2 games he's featured in this season is fair and accurate.

Probably because most of the comments that aren't praising him are in fact posters judging him or writing him off.

As is the case with most players/personnel. Look at the criticisms in the Mahrez, Sterling, Jesus, Mendy threads. Or the Stones, Rodri, Gundogan, Pep threads of yesteryear/earlier this season. Every single criticism is accompanied by a comment stating along the lines of they won't be good enough, they won't be as good as player X, they'll NEVER be good enough, or they should be sold. You very rarely see a comment stating that a player had a poor game but hopefully it's a one off, or a player's going through a rough patch and it's expected that they turn it around.


Ignoring the fact that you suggesting he's been entirely anonymous so far barring two games is an obvious exaggeration, commenting on his performances in such a way without adding on clairvoyance is indeed fair for you to do. But trust me, you're the exception to the rule.

 

[Horlocksleftpeg]

Why does every comment that isn't constant glowing praise have to be labelled as people judging him or writing him off?

We all know it's rare for a player to settle into a Pep side from the off and he will need a bedding in period before we see anything from him but stating he's been entirely anonymous in all but 2 games he's featured in this season is fair and accurate.

Yep.

This “goals and assists” thing seems to have been driven in the past 3/4 years by social media and can largely cover up for performances where there has been minimal contribution.

Don’t get me wrong I want him to score as many as possible but I’m perhaps a bit old school in being able to judge a players performance not just on goals and assists alone.

A player tracking back and making a perfect sliding tackle before setting up a new attack, being brave and taking on a full back, dropping a shoulder to get out of a tight space, working hard to drag a defender the wrong way etc is all part of what contributes to a player’s performance and is how I judge their overall contribution to a game, not just if they got an assist.

It’s why Sane was a fan’s favourite. Not only did he get very good “goals and assists” records, he’d have us on the edge of our seats.

 

[Larry Stranger]

Yep.

This “goals and assists” thing seems to have been driven in the past 3/4 years by social media and can largely cover up for performances where there has been minimal contribution.

Don’t get me wrong I want him to score as many as possible but I’m perhaps a bit old school in being able to judge a players performance not just on goals and assists alone.

A player tracking back and making a perfect sliding tackle before setting up a new attack, being brave and taking on a full back, dropping a shoulder to get out of a tight space, working hard to drag a defender the wrong way etc is all part of what contributes to a player’s performance and is how I judge their overall contribution to a game, not just if they got an assist.

It’s why Sane was a fan’s favourite. Not only did he get very good “goals and assists” records, he’d have us on the edge of our seats.

People have to remember that Torres has been playing as a striker for a lot of the games he's played and not as a winger. For for large parts he's in the middle waiting for service and not getting involved in the build up like a winger or midfielder would. Even against Cheltenham he was more central with Mendy being the winger on the left. Only in the 2nd half he moved to the right wing.

 

[sir baconface]

It’s why Sane was a fan’s favourite. Not only did he get very good “goals and assists” records, he’d have us on the edge of our seats.

Not in his first season though. Nowhere near.

 

[super_city_si]

Not expecting much from him this season. Should start to see him express himself more next season. Its hard enough moving leagues and countries normally, never mind in the middle of a pandemic and the associated craziness. He's had a very interrupted introduction.
Seen enough to think he'll be a good signing.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Yep.

This “goals and assists” thing seems to have been driven in the past 3/4 years by social media and can largely cover up for performances where there has been minimal contribution.

Don’t get me wrong I want him to score as many as possible but I’m perhaps a bit old school in being able to judge a players performance not just on goals and assists alone.

A player tracking back and making a perfect sliding tackle before setting up a new attack, being brave and taking on a full back, dropping a shoulder to get out of a tight space, working hard to drag a defender the wrong way etc is all part of what contributes to a player’s performance and is how I judge their overall contribution to a game, not just if they got an assist.

It’s why Sane was a fan’s favourite. Not only did he get very good “goals and assists” records, he’d have us on the edge of our seats.

at the end of the day a guy who does little but does score goals and assists will always be looked on better than someone like FFS who does sod all and has no end product. Same way Raz gets a lot more criticism for misses when he's not mitigating poorer performances with 20 goals and 5/10 assists a season.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

I want to see him in the middle again. He doesn't have the energy to press like Gabby when he plays in the middle and I don't think it's for a lack of effort but more because he's been visibly knackered in the first half after covering a lot of ground. He doesn't have that Duracell thing going on but maybe that will come with time.

What he does have is composure in front of goal and the willingness to get a shot off early with either foot. He's also clearly got a lot of confidence in himself as well, sometimes to his own detriment.

A couple of times on the wing he's squared up to the fullback and tried to knock it around them, do them for pace and ended up being outrun by the defender. Not sure if that's just a case of needing to learn the league and opposition players but he's never going to be a blisteringly quick winger so I don't think it plays to his strengths. I'd probably put him level with a young Aguero in terms of speed and I don't think he'd have problems outrunning most centrebacks.

Or not, I don't know, he might just go on to be a top winger. He's been quiet recently but I'm not worried about him because he just looks to have that determination and focus.

 

[Horlocksleftpeg]

at the end of the day a guy who does little but does score goals and assists will always be looked on better than someone like FFS who does sod all and has no end product. Same way Raz gets a lot more criticism for misses when he's not mitigating poorer performances with 20 goals and 5/10 assists a season.

Raz is a perfect example of someone who offers very little to our overall play but always pops up with a goal/assist.

All the pace in the world but far too happy to slow the tempo down and pass the ball back where it came from.

There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s helping the team finish chances and he’s in the right place at the right time, but you’ll never see him take the game by the scruff of the neck and set the tempo like a foden or DeBruyne