31 | Ederson - 2022/23 Performances

[Utter bobbins]

Was never a penalty yesternight (can see why it was given though),but dear me,the number of rash decisions he's been making or made in the last year or so,under the guise of sweeping,is shocking.

Rarely looks like he can keep us in games in periods where we aren't playing well and just huge lapses in concentration lately

Simply put, we are winning despite/in spite of him,not because of him.

Why was it given then

 

[Sheikh rattle and roll]

Roque Santa Cruz and Jo used to score exceptional goals in training.

;-)

Your point being

 

[kaz7]

He didnt have a save to make so not sure why this thread is active with moaners, the pen was a joke decision.

His distribution was top class i thought, helped us beat their press many times.

This , no win without his distribution and press resistance , people have it in for him without looking at the big picture , kneejerk fuckwittery

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…

The season he stops playing for us, people will suddenly realise how simple he makes very difficult things look and they’ll start to complain about whoever replaces him not being as good.

On another note, nobody seems to be acknowledging that the first goal came from his ball that put their CB and RB under pressure. Against Villa his pass completion rate was 97%. He has had several games this season where it was 100%. People who say “oh well he’s just passing it short”. Okay. Find me another keeper who can pass it short 40 times a game while being pressed without fucking up once, he’s a victim of his own success because he’s so good he makes something very difficult look very easy.

 

[WorthlessPoster]

No complaints about Ederson's performance yesterday. His passing is absolutely vital to us. Also, he is top of the league!

 

[Nellies left peg]

I was gobsmacked he dove the other way as well

I thought,yes he’s got in his head then dives the other way, never looks like saving a penalty

 

[Captain Flint]

He even told Saka where to go and then dived the other way.

I was gobsmacked he dove the other way as well

I mean I don't get this criticism at all. Yes, he pointed at that corner as a mind game against Saka, but why is he now actually held to that like he "had to" dive where he pointed? It was always a lottery anyway. Saka could have chosen the other corner as well, there is no rule to follow here just because Ederson tried to intimidate the striker. Isn't the whole mind game strategy to confuse the shot taker? He points to a corner, but he might dive the other way as well and the same goes for the shot taker, he may or may not decide to go for the indicated corner. If Ederson had dived where he pointed, but Saka decided to pick the other way and scored, would people still criticize Ederson "why did he dive where he pointed, wasn't it obvious enough that Saka wouldn't follow his bluf?". This is a lose-lose case for the keeper, he either saves the shot or he doesn't, the mind games played no role at all in this specific instance, because the shot taker and the keeper chose different corners.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I mean I don't get this criticism at all. Yes, he pointed at that corner as a mind game against Saka, but why is he now actually held to that like he "had to" dive where he pointed? It was always a lottery anyway. Saka could have chosen the other corner as well, there is no rule to follow here just because Ederson tried to intimidate the striker. Isn't the whole mind game strategy to confuse the shot taker? He points to a corner, but he might dive the other way as well and the same goes for the shot taker, he may or may not decide to go for the indicated corner. If Ederson had dived where he pointed, but Saka decided to pick the other way and scored, would people still criticize Ederson "why did he dive where he pointed, wasn't it obvious enough that Saka wouldn't follow his bluf?". This is a lose-lose case for the keeper, he either saves the shot or he doesn't, the mind games played no role at all in this specific instance, because the shot taker and the keeper chose different corners.

I also find it an utterly bizarre criticism.

I can guarantee you they both picked the direction they were going before the game even kicked off. Keepers don’t just randomly choose these days. The mind games is just a bit of theatre and I’m pretty sure Mahrez told him to do it because he had a long conversation with him before the kick.

Of all the criticisms to level at a keeper “not saving enough penalties” is one of the weirdest I can think of. Missed penalties are like 45% the taker bottling it, 45% random chance and maybe 10% keeper involvement.

 

[Dicko69]

He's got his faults but I wouldn't swap him for anyone.

 

[WorthlessPoster]

Used to be. For a long while now he's been doing more and more insane nonsense that benefits nobody. Rushing out of goal and not getting there used to be once a season, now it's much more frequent. And what was that last night, getting booked for timewasting after about five warnings?

The other thing, not as major, is that when facing a penalty you never even hope that he might save it. He even told Saka where to go and then dived the other way.

Could that "nonsense" be corrected by our gk coach? Any idea if Mancisidor is good at his job?

 

[meeesh]

I mean I don't get this criticism at all. Yes, he pointed at that corner as a mind game against Saka, but why is he now actually held to that like he "had to" dive where he pointed? It was always a lottery anyway. Saka could have chosen the other corner as well, there is no rule to follow here just because Ederson tried to intimidate the striker. Isn't the whole mind game strategy to confuse the shot taker? He points to a corner, but he might dive the other way as well and the same goes for the shot taker, he may or may not decide to go for the indicated corner. If Ederson had dived where he pointed, but Saka decided to pick the other way and scored, would people still criticize Ederson "why did he dive where he pointed, wasn't it obvious enough that Saka wouldn't follow his bluf?". This is a lose-lose case for the keeper, he either saves the shot or he doesn't, the mind games played no role at all in this specific instance, because the shot taker and the keeper chose different corners.

Not criticism,just observations on what he did,the surprising thing is that Sakha actually scored,not something he could manage in the Euro final,but that's a different story.

Ederson has not been the same for one reason or another this season,no matter how you dress it up,his distribution,(compared to what we are used to seeing) has been fucking awful,constantly passing out to defenders that most of the time are not expecting it to go to them,going long is not always a bad thing now we have a giant up top waiting for it neither.

 

[LongsightM13]

I thought,yes he’s got in his head then dives the other way, never looks like saving a penalty

He has saved more PL penalties than Allison. Is he shit as well?

 

[LongsightM13]

That disjointed feel is down to not having a consistent back line, surely that’s not being discounted? The ability to play out is a shadow of itself without Dias, Laporte and stones; the others are no way near that standard, despite being solid defensively, hence the tinkering that has gone on…

I think some of our fanbase are becoming extremely entitled, expecting super human performances year on year, blind that its
Nigh on impossible to sustain; that isn’t aimed at you by the way, just the general consensus observed for a good few of our players;

We sit top, again, with a wank GK, shit defence, geriatric midfield and striker who doesn’t fit our style of play, despite scoring 30+ goals by January..

We’re doomed (:

Wish I could like this more than once
And the point about not having a settled back four, and not having our best ball playing defenders, has been missed by most

 

[Lavinda Past]

Your point being

Saves in training count about the same as goals in training it's not a reliable measure of how a player will react in a match situation.

Santa Cruz and Jo are the goalscoring equivalent of Ederson goalkeeping.

 

[Sheikh rattle and roll]

Saves in training count about the same as goals in training it's not a reliable measure of how a player will react in a match situation.

Santa Cruz and Jo are the goalscoring equivalent of Ederson goalkeeping.

Believe what you like Ederson is elite
You don’t get to play at the levels both domestically and internationally if you can’t make a save
I couldn’t make the saves he makes in training nor could you
People soon forget the saves he makes to fit the narrative he’s shite
Look at saves away against Leicester and Spurs the guy is top class
Very good at crosses brave an amazing with his feet
I personally wouldn’t swap him
I accept we may have different opinions that’s football for you

 

[Lavinda Past]

Believe what you like Ederson is elite
You don’t get to play at the levels both domestically and internationally if you can’t make a save
I couldn’t make the saves he makes in training nor could you
People soon forget the saves he makes to fit the narrative he’s shite
Look at saves away against Leicester and Spurs the guy is top class
Very good at crosses brave an amazing with his feet
I personally wouldn’t swap him
I accept we may have different opinions that’s football for you

I never said he was shite.
He's good at what he does for Pep, but imo he's not a particularly good goalkeeper.

 

[Nellies left peg]

He has saved more PL penalties than Allison. Is he shit as well?

Need you ask? Allison has more ricks in his game than Eddie

 

[Maly]

I never said he was shite.
He's good at what he does for Pep, but imo he's not a particularly good goalkeeper.

Doesn’t it depend on what you want from a goalkeeper?

In the traditional sense, maybe he’s not top of the tree, but for the way we play, I can’t see a single goalkeeper better in the world for us my friend. Can you?

 

[meeesh]

He has saved more PL penalties than Allison. Is he shit as well?

Well Allison keeps him out of the national side,so make your own mind up over that I suppose,I know who I'd sooner have,but been off it a bit this season no doubt.

 

[Gundoggin]

Doesn’t it depend on what you want from a goalkeeper?

In the traditional sense, maybe he’s not top of the tree, but for the way we play, I can’t see a single goalkeeper better in the world for us my friend. Can you?

Keeper at Brentford is a far better shot stopper than Ederson and he is probably not ranked in the top 100 keepers in the world . His distribution and passing is a million miles short of Ederson,s level though so here lies the differential. Brentford,s keeper has refused 3 improved contracts at Brentford so he is off somewhere…….