31 | Ederson - 2024/25

[Man_City_Loyal]

thought he was one of our better players last night

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

He’s a goalkeeper, not a miracle worker/mind reader!

Dias should never blob that clearance for the first. And to say he should have saved the third? L-O-L

He doesn't perform miracles with his hands you are right.
He cost us two goals first leg and yesterday for me defo the third an a little for the first. Where he was on the first made Mbappe's mind up for him. The third wasn't even in the corner and Courtois saves that 100% as most top keepers would.

First leg where instead of trying to use his hands, he chested it into the path of their player to concede a goal. Why from a tame shot outside the area last night did he choose to chest the fucking thing away instead of claiming it properly? You don't have to be a mind reader, but maybe learn from your mistakes

 

[jamielowndes]

Had Dias got the touch on it he should have. Ederson is in the perfect position.

Yeah its one of those situations where he's clearly positioned for a backpass that never comes. So when Mbappe is there first, it only ends one way.

 

[sh249]

Least of our problems last night. Nothing he could do about the first, not sure he could have done much about the third.

 

[mccity]

No, dias made it easy for Mbappe not Ederson. He read the game, he was in his customary position prepared to sweep, the ball came in, hes instantly backtracked knowing it isn't a ball to come for, dias makes a mess of it and leaves ederson up shit creek. What is Ederson supposed to do differently?

Do I believe he should be stood there? Yes, 100% because that's what's he's instructed to do as the sweeper keeper and that's the system that has helped us win what we've won.

All I'm seeing here is you disagreeing with Peps decision to play sweeper keeper, something he's done through the entirety of his career and suggesting Ederson should be directly disobeying those fundamental principles.

Seeing as youre insistent Ederson is to blame here, i'll ask you this, where do you think he should have been instead? And what did he do wrong in your eyes?

I'm in agreement with you here. Dias had one job, and it's to make sure the runner can't get a shot in before Ederson can arrive to try and deal with it

If the ball is played too long, Ederson can deal with it. If it's played too short or wide, or it bounces awkwardly, and the runner takes a touch towards goal, Ederson can deal with it

If the ball lands perfectly for the player to shoot early, that's on the defender to sort out. In this case, Dias went for a header he wasn't ever winning instead of trying to keep up with Mbappé. Had he done the latter, Mbappé would never have had the time to set himself up for the finish that he did

And let's not forget, Mbappé is a brilliant footballer. With the time he had after the defensive error, he could have probably found a way to score wherever the keeper happened to be

 

[ninjamonkey]

I've already given you the answers to the questions you are asking. You dont think he made a mistake, I think he did. The conversation has run it's course.

Have you? I see you say a lot of where he shouldn't be and what he shouldn't do but I haven't seen you say where you think he should be and what he should do instead.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Have you? I see you say a lot of where he shouldn't be and what he shouldn't do but I haven't seen you say where you think he should be and what he should do instead.

I'd like my keeper to have them answers

 

[ninjamonkey]

First leg where instead of trying to use his hands, he chested it into the path of their player to concede a goal. Why from a tame shot outside the area last night did he choose to chest the fucking thing away instead of claiming it properly?

This is a football wide issue for all keepers. I know we laugh at arteta for making excuses like this but it's the balls. They make unpredictable movements in the air, if it moves close enough to a keeper who is trying to claim it, it's quite likely they'll flap at it and it goes in, we've seen that happen everywhere. As a consequence, keepers don't take risks on garhering certain shots anymore they get their body behind it instead of taking it in for the extra security if it does move, ederson did it last night, courtois also did it from a really tame foden effort from almost the halfway line that could easily have been followed up on and i suspect haaland would have had he been on the pitch. Neuer did it the night before too as did schmeichel in the same game. Its what keepers do now.

I'd like my keeper to have them answers

So you want the keeper to decide where to be and actively ignore the game plan?
You can disagree with the game plan if you like but that's peps decision and your disagreement is with his choices, you can't be slating a player for following instructions.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

This is a football wide issue for all keepers. I know we laugh at arteta for making excuses like this but it's the balls. They make unpredictable movements in the air, if it moves close enough to a keeper who is trying to claim it, it's quite likely they'll flap at it and it goes in, we've seen that happen everywhere. As a consequence, keepers don't take risks on garhering certain shots anymore they get their body behind it instead of taking it in for the extra security if it does move, ederson did it last night, courtois also did it from a really tame foden effort from almost the halfway line that could easily have been followed up on and i suspect haaland would have had he been on the pitch. Neuer did it the night before too as did schmeichel in the same game. Its what keepers do now.
So you want the keeper to decide where to be and actively ignore the game plan?
You can disagree with the game plan if you like but that's peps decision and your disagreement is with his choices, you can't be slating a player for following instructions.

Maybe it stands out when Ederson does it due to the amount of goals he is consistently costing us.

I want my players to read the game, they aren't robots and stick to every single instruction for the entire game. His positional play cost us first leg, like it has cost us numerous times this season. 5 minutes into the first leg I said to my mate that he will cost us a goal at least, he cost us two and was only a marginal offside away from giving away a stupid penalty. He is done now and is costing us far more than what he is contributing. Ortega for me the rest of the season, let Eddie carry on with a slapped arse face on the bench.

 

[ninjamonkey]

Maybe it stands out when Ederson does it due to the amount of goals he is consistently costing us.

I want my players to read the game, they aren't robots and stick to every single instruction for the entire game. His positional play cost us first leg, like it has cost us numerous times this season. 5 minutes into the first leg I said to my mate that he will cost us a goal at least, he cost us two and was only a marginal offside away from giving away a stupid penalty. He is done now and is costing us far more than what he is contributing. Ortega for me the rest of the season, let Eddie carry on with a slapped arse face on the bench.

Ederson did read the game, as soon as the ball over the top was played he's read it and started backtracking, there is nothing else he can do. You seem to be disguising "disregard the entire gameplan" behind "read the game" Presumably because typing out what you actually want him to do makes it crystal clear what a ridiculous expectation it is. What you, and others seem to want is for him to go rogue and just flat out ignore the entire gameplan. No city keeper under pep, will ever be allowed to ignore a direct fundamental instruction to always be prepared to sweep.

You'd presumably agree the defence play the high line because we employ the sweeper keeper tactic. So in the scenario you want to see, where ederson decides when he is and isn't going to follow instructions, what's the plan for the defence? How will they all simultaneously be made aware when Ederson is or isn't going to do as he's told so they can then also decide when they should ignore instructions too? Telepathy?

When the defence use their new telepathic skills to read Edersons mind, see he isn't going to follow instructions and so the defence in impressive unison all abandon the high line and drop 30 yards as a result, will the midfielders be left 40 yards from their backline or are is it some kind of team wide telepathy we've developed?

 

[samuelyeboah]

Could he have done a bit better on the 2nd goal? I think he was caught flatfooted but it was definitely more a defensive mistake than his direct fault

 

[Feed the Elk]

Ederson did read the game, as soon as the ball over the top was played he's read it and started backtracking, there is nothing else he can do. You seem to be disguising "disregard the entire gameplan" behind "read the game" Presumably because typing out what you actually want him to do makes it crystal clear what a ridiculous expectation it is. What you, and others seem to want is for him to go rogue and just flat out ignore the entire gameplan. No city keeper under pep, will ever be allowed to ignore a direct fundamental instruction to always be prepared to sweep.

You'd presumably agree the defence play the high line because we employ the sweeper keeper tactic. So in the scenario you want to see, where ederson decides when he is and isn't going to follow instructions, what's the plan for the defence? How will they all simultaneously be made aware when Ederson is or isn't going to do as he's told so they can then also decide when they should ignore instructions too? Telepathy?

When the defence use their new telepathic skills to read Edersons mind, see he isn't going to follow instructions and so the defence in impressive unison all abandon the high line and drop 30 yards as a result, will the midfielders be left 40 yards from their backline or are is it some kind of team wide telepathy we've developed?

Not sure why you’re bothering to argue the case. Some people just don’t understand the bigger picture and can only say what they see in that moment.
Ederson’s positioning didn’t and shouldn’t take into account Dias not being able to deal with a high long ball. The consequence of Dias’s failure (understandably due to lack of match fitness) was the Ederson looked to be out of position. And most of us know that he’s in the position he was because the probability that Dias deals with it is theoretically high.
Where should he have been in that situation? Planted on his line? Lol

 

[youngbob]

So many negative posters with apparently incurable tunnel vision have joined the forum this season and have dragged the quality down immeasurably.

Poor, poor show.

 

[jamielowndes]

Could he have done a bit better on the 2nd goal? I think he was caught flatfooted but it was definitely more a defensive mistake than his direct fault

Hes angling right because Khusanov is blocking the way down the left and in theory should get in the way.

So when it gets through Khusanov, he's left flat footed because he's already tilting right.

Nobody really to blame, just happens.

 

[samuelyeboah]

Hes angling right because Khusanov is blocking the way down the left and in theory should get in the way.

So when it gets through Khusanov, he's left flat footed because he's already tilting right.

Nobody really to blame, just happens.

It's just a recurring theme with ederson. not really his direct fault but you always end up left wanting, feeling like you haven't squeezed the most out of situation. Never ever saving penalties is a good example. you can't really blame him, they are supposed to be scored, but sometimes you wish he'd do more, provide that shocking save, have slightly better reflexes. Maybe a better keeper doesn't tilt right so heavily and manages to bring himself back on time.

 

[jamielowndes]

It's just a recurring theme with ederson. not really his direct fault but you always end up left wanting, feeling like you haven't squeezed the most out of situation. Never ever saving penalties is a good example. you can't really blame him, they are supposed to be scored, but sometimes you wish he'd do more, provide that shocking save, have slightly better reflexes. Maybe a better keeper doesn't tilt right so heavily and manages to bring himself back on time.

His penalty record isn't great (saved 3 in 17/18 then only 1 since outside of shootouts) but yeah I get what you mean.
I think sometimes for me, as much as I love his sweeper game, there's been a couple of times where you'd just wish he'd play deeper. The third goal against Feyenoord and Madrid at home were good examples.

He went all out for those balls, and yeah if he gets them he looks like a genius, but also trust the defenders a little more. One of his strongest mental attributes is that he's incredibly resolute in his decision making. You can still be that resolute playing deep if the defenders are still close enough to impact the play.

With that goal though, Khusanov is blocking his left side and probably his line of sight slightly, so you have to play the odds and assume he's going to get anything on that side, since he's in the way. Ederson just prepares for the ball to go any other way. If Khusanov gets anything on that, then it's a non factor.

It's like with Dias against Real. Ederson is prepared for Dias to shepherd that ball back to him. Unfortunately Dias was not.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Could he have done a bit better on the 2nd goal? I think he was caught flatfooted but it was definitely more a defensive mistake than his direct fault

There’s a decent shout for offside as there’s a scouse player in his eye line.

He was more unsighted by Khusanov though.

 

[Leroy Leroy Leroy]

Wonderful save v son, got us the chocolates there i think

 

[MCFCFanTX]

That was a good game. Good job Eddy.

 

[eversince 76]

Well done Eddy.