4 | Kalvin Phillips - 2022/23 Performances

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domalino said:
This is an all time classic Bluemoon thread.

For all we know Phillips wasn't fit to train because he was getting over the flu, but the overactive imaginations on here have managed to spin it
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“Kalvin Phillips is not fit. He did not arrive in the best condition to train and play.”

It’s more imaginative to think this refers to flu and not something that’s on Kalvin, especially when watching Pep as he says it.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
“Kalvin Phillips is not fit. He did not arrive in the best condition to train and play.”

It’s more imaginative to think this refers to flu and not something that’s on Kalvin, especially when watching Pep as he says it.
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When has being physically unfit (as opposed to being injured or ill) stoped ever someone from training?

As I pointed out in my last comment when Mahrez was not fit enough to play Pep said he had to train more and lose weight.

If Phillips need to do the same, he’d say the same.
 
domalino said:
When has being physically unfit stoped someone from training?
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I reckon when Pep says that he’s referring to training with the team - a normal session that he should be involved in. He’ll have most likely been in the gym with the conditioning staff, doing individual stuff and not what Pep wants and needs him to be doing. I don’t think for one second that he’ll have just been sent home.
 
Pep always picks his words very carefully. He knows how to say somebody is injured or carrying a knock - he’s had to confirm it enough times in the 6 years he’s been here - so the fact he didn’t last night speaks volumes.

It’s an odd one because Phillips always comes across as a brilliant professional and one determined to succeed. And I always got the feeling Pep liked him too. Strange and hopefully nothing too serious.
 
Brewster's millions said:
If a player is ill or unwell, the club says that they are ill. They’ve done so many times over the past year or two.

Guardiola would very likely have said last night if he was ill, or had been struggling with illness and recovering. But instead he used very specific language to state that he returned unfit and in poor condition, and that he still wasn’t ready to train properly because of this.
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Correct
 
supercity88 said:
Really strange that he's not fit enough to play. Maybe that's just on the basis that he didn't have much involvement for England and Pep doesn't trust his conditioning yet, or perhaps there's more to it. I'm hoping it's the former and he just needs to be managed with minutes here and there to get match fitness, rather than anything more serious where it's an attitude thing. He seems a decent lad, but based on Rodri's performance last night he's going to need to be better than he's ever been to get a chance.
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I would imagine it’s a weird time training with England at the WC - when all other players aren’t there to build fitness and sessions are just aimed at maintenance and tactical work. So I guess there wasn’t a huge amount of recovery time for conditioning work for Kalvin before he was needed for a game.

But still odd that in the time since England left Qatar he now couldn’t make the bench last night..
 
This is a pretty stupid extension people are making.

Stop making up scenarios in your head when you dont really know, just wait until we know more.

Yeah it sucks he hasnt played for us much at all yet, but dont jump to conclusions and bastardize the player on inferences
 
alexmcity said:
The club bosses have decided that the best way to counter the negativity in the media is to sign as many English star players as possible. This explains why we spent nearly 150m on Grealish and Phillips.
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Yep. Nothing counters negativity like spending £100m on Jack Grealish and then having him start 1/3rd of our games.
 
DMA's said:
Yet I seem to remember you where one of the most vocal posters saying we should sign Phillips and he will be brilliant for us. Hindsight is a wonderful thing
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Not entirely.......I was a bigger advocate of keeping Lavia and not unnecessarily signing another DM.

However...when that became known it wasnt a consideration,i backed the signing of Philips,and Peps decision.....because when fit and at his best he is excellent at his job.Unfortunately it seems his fitness is and was still an issue.
 
WallyA said:
This is a pretty stupid extension people are making.

Stop making up scenarios in your head when you dont really know, just wait until we know more.

Yeah it sucks he hasnt played for us much at all yet, but dont jump to conclusions and bastardize the player on inferences
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LOL

The guy has been a sicknote since he walked through our door, why is anyone making things up when last nigh his own manager called him out?

Pep sounded like a man running out of patience, Phillips has so far contributed zero to the cause, that's just a fact.
 
domalino said:
Yep. Nothing counters negativity like spending £100m on Jack Grealish and then having him start 1/3rd of our games.
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Guess the plan wasn't to sign Grealish as a squad player and start him in 1/3rd of the games. We expect(ed) more from him, say, to establish himself as a regular starter for club and country. We wouldn't have played 100m for a squad player, makes no sense, given our transfer policy of signing top players in the region of 50-60m.
 
alexmcity said:
Guess the plan wasn't to sign Grealish as a squad player and start him in 1/3rd of the games. We expect(ed) more from him, say, to establish himself as a regular starter for club and country. We wouldn't have played 100m for a squad player, makes no sense, given our transfer policy of signing top players in the region of 50-60m.
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If the policy was to reduce animosity towards city, breaking the British transfer record on anyone doesn’t really make sense.
 
domalino said:
If the policy was to reduce animosity towards city, breaking the British transfer record on anyone doesn’t really make sense.
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It made sense given the expectations about Grealish's development back then. He was brilliant for Villa and a highly popular English player, many expect(ed) big things from him. Having a big English star in your team helps. And it helps even more if you have several of them, say, Foden, Kane, Bellingham, Saka...Such a policy makes sense, for people love England's stars. Might be wrong, but our intention to sign top English internationals seems obvious to me. If we have the brightest English talents, it will make it a bit harder for the media to perpetuate the usual negative stories about us being state owned, sport washers etc.
 
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