#47 | Phil Foden - 2019/20 Performances

[Tevez City]

If Pep wants to let him replace Silva next season, then he need to loan him.

Otherwise he will never be ready.

 

[markbmcfc]

If Pep wants to let him replace Silva next season, then he need to loan him.

Otherwise he will never be ready.

So, the best way for Phil to replace David is to be sent to another club away from him?

A club that plays differently to how City play. Potentially in a different division. Amongst players nowhere near the same level as David and those around him.

Don't think that's a good idea. He's fine where he is.

 

[ws01]

So then remove the 'potentially' part and send him to a club that can meet all those things.

We make the choice as to where we send him, it's not a lottery. He needs game time.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

more fact than oversimplification
At the moment he is struggling to be a panel regular. I Would love to see him playing but assuming all panel being fit he would not make it at the moment. Hopefully he comes in as a straight replacement to David Silva. Our midfield is just full of top players

It's either a fact or it isn't.

Saying "if he was good enough then he'd be playing" ignores every other factor involved and smells like the usual circular logic some blues adopt in order to stick their heads in the sand and refuse to discuss what others see the faults of the club and certain people who work for us.

He is good enough. If he wasn't then he wouldn't even be in the squad right now.

 

[Tevez City]

So, the best way for Phil to replace David is to be sent to another club away from him?

A club that plays differently to how City play. Potentially in a different division. Amongst players nowhere near the same level as David and those around him.

Don't think that's a good idea. He's fine where he is.

Lets see what will happen next season.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

Needs to be coming on when we're 2-0 up, no questions asked. He's one of the most talented players I've ever seen at his age group. Pep says the same, but if he can't get minutes against Palace when we're looking pretty comfortable, what are we doing? He's not some average player who needs nursing through a game. I honestly don't think we'd see a big, if any, drop-off in performance.

 

[jaiguruKun]

I still don't understand why he didn't play against Wolves after the goal v Shaktar surely it would have been the ideal time.
Every time you think the big breakthrough has come Pep pulls the plug on it again.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Needs to be coming on when we're 2-0 up, no questions asked. He's one of the most talented players I've ever seen at his age group. Pep says the same, but if he can't get minutes against Palace when we're looking pretty comfortable, what are we doing? He's not some average player who needs nursing through a game. I honestly don't think we'd see a big, if any, drop-off in performance.

He might even contribute a goal or two!

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

He might even contribute a goal or two!

Maybe I'm being biased but he's put in several MOTM performances in the cup games, scored in the CL when goals were tight (Yes we dominated but was struggling to put them away), scored against Spurs which was pivotal to our Premier League title, and has a good goals-to-minutes ratio for a CM/CAM, especially at youth level.

Not saying he needs to start every game, which could actually be detrimental to his progress, but if we're winning games against mid-table opposition, he's got to get minutes. Saturday was perfect opportunity and he got 70-odd seconds. It's insulting.

 

[KCblue]

I don't expect him to start tomorrow, but I'd like to see him either get a start or a decent amount of minutes off the bench on Saturday. I'd be shocked if he didn't start against Southampton next Tuesday.

 

[kaz7]

If Pep wants to let him replace Silva next season, then he need to loan him.

Otherwise he will never be ready.

Give the loan a rest,it's not happening

 

[Deleted member 81382]

I'd be shocked if he didn't start against Southampton next Tuesday.

Nailed on to start that one.

 

[sir baconface]

I'm pretty sure Pep was waiting for the 3rd goal to sub him on but it never came. 88th minute was probably a token gesture because he had his hopes up for getting on the pitch.

It’s Ok. He’s used to token gestures by now.

 

[mikemcfc]

Nailed on to start that one.

a betting shop couldn't make a market for whether he starts or not as it would be too easy to fix,
but I wonder what the actual odds would be in that regard?

 

[sir baconface]

His position is a position young lads don’t often get into top teams much as well. I said the same in the Jesus thread.

Full backs and wingers seem to get into teams at a younger age than centre halves, central midfielders, and centre forwards. This is true throughout many teams from many leagues through many decades.

Unless they’re better than what’s ahead of them, or ridiculously good players you can’t not take the chance on, these most trusted positions are almost always given to more experienced players.

How many young lads get into top teams in central midfield?

Owen Hargreaves at Bayern, started at 21 in the CL final against Valencia. Scholes at United. When they had good players ahead of them.

But who did Lampard displace at Chelsea, who did Gerrard displace at Liverpool? They weren’t trying to displace de Bruyne, David Silva, Bernardo Silva and Gundogan when they were breaking into the Chelsea and Liverpool teams.

We did need something different against Wolves but even Bernardo didn’t get the nod to start with de Bruyne injured so Foden would never have.

For the zillionth time, nobody is demanding he displace anyone on a regular basis at this stage. Just that we cut the bullshit and give him meaningful minutes.

 

[sir baconface]

Maybe I'm being biased but he's put in several MOTM performances in the cup games, scored in the CL when goals were tight (Yes we dominated but was struggling to put them away), scored against Spurs which was pivotal to our Premier League title, and has a good goals-to-minutes ratio for a CM/CAM, especially at youth level.

Not saying he needs to start every game, which could actually be detrimental to his progress, but if we're winning games against mid-table opposition, he's got to get minutes. Saturday was perfect opportunity and he got 70-odd seconds. It's insulting.

Why do some posters find this so difficult to understand?

The same salivating dogs trot up every time, totally and conveniently ignoring this point because “Pep knows best” and that brooks no argument.

 

[ADegenerate]

I don't expect him to start tomorrow, but I'd like to see him either get a start or a decent amount of minutes off the bench on Saturday. I'd be shocked if he didn't start against Southampton next Tuesday.

All of Peps subs are predefined. That’s how we get the balance of total appearances and a substantially close balance of minutes come end of the year for the entire squad. IE: Gabe and Kun on the same appearances at the end of the season with gabby ‘stealing’ 30 minutes every game Kun starts.

I thought he’d get a boost from 1200 to 1800 minutes this season but unfortunately I think his development is going to come next season or completely on the next manager so I doubt that happens :-(.

I don’t necessarily like it but Pep is getting paid $20m + and is only here to win every match, so I guess I’m saying blues should kind of anticipate that reality unless he catches fire during the flurry of games during late December. Subjective opinion here but I think he feels obligated to play Gundogan for personal reasons so that’s why my hopes are minimal for Phil under Pep. Bummer, but I get Peps reluctance.

Edit: despite Pep being a really progressive manager he also has really conservative approaches ideologically wise on occasion...which frustrates a lot of Blues especially @domalino and I guess you with what you’re suggesting here. Hinting back to the predefined subs route...you see that take form when he brings Phil in for 2/3 minutes on occasion when we’d like him to get 20. He wants to play Phil but he takes that conservative approach.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I think Pep believes David Silva isn’t going to be able to make it through the 3 games a week stage of the season and will Peter off as the season comes to a close. Accordingly, he is holding Foden “in reserve” for that time and for when we get the inevitable injuries in midfield.

Tbh, I’m not sure why people who don’t know Foden and are simple football fans get all hot and bothered about it. CLEARLY, PHIL FODEN isn’t concerned, and let’s not forget he is a young kid trying to break into the top team in European football. He is an integral part of the squad and will get playing time. But, let’s not even suggest he is better than Bernardo, Gundogan, Rodri, Fernandinho, KDB, or El Mago, so he’s going to have to wait until they need rest or recuperation.

Why is THAT so hard to understand?

 

[ADegenerate]

I think Pep believes David Silva isn’t going to be able to make it through the 3 games a week stage of the season and will Peter off as the season comes to a close. Accordingly, he is holding Foden “in reserve” for that time and for when we get the inevitable injuries in midfield.

Tbh, I’m not sure why people who don’t know Foden and are simple football fans get all hot and bothered about it. CLEARLY, PHIL FODEN isn’t concerned, and let’s not forget he is a young kid trying to break into the top team in European football. He is an integral part of the squad and will get playing time. But, let’s not even suggest he is better than Bernardo, Gundogan, Rodri, Fernandinho, KDB, or El Mago, so he’s going to have to wait until they need rest or recuperation.

Why is THAT so hard to understand?

So let me get this straight. You’re saying the modern master of man management knows what he’s doing then?

:-)

 

[Shirley]

I'm looking forward to Foden becoming a regular starter so I'm prepared to be patient and hopefully so will Phil but it must be frustrating for him when he sees his mates getting recognition.......


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