6 Nations 2014

jay_mcfc said:
leighton said:
Jay its rugby mate. A forward pass is a forward pass. England have been building that team under Lancaster what is it now 3 years give or take?? You have been building for that long. You have been runners up 3 years running in the 6 Nations when it really matters England crumble under the pressure. Ireland have a team that have winners in it as do Wales. Look at that Irish team how many Heineken Cup winners was in that team yesterday?? That is why Ireland in that pressure game away to France dug in and got the result. That was the best of the French this season. Joe Schmidt has done some job since he took over. He has had the experience but you look at the bench and it is full of young players coming on into the pack whick makes our rebuilding job going well. Time will tell. You would be silly to write off Ireland or Wales from winning a World Cup I dont think anyone will beat the All Blacks but with rugby teams from here are closing the gap.
Ireland if they can keep the bulk of this squad together and fit could have a very good World Cup. I look at the groups and England have a hard group for the World Cup with Aussies and Welsh so thats going to be a hard group. Ireland have France and Italy in there group with a realistic chance of getting to the knock out stages as can you honestly say England will have it easy against Wales and Aus???
You go on about Aura well this Irish team and players have a winning Aura around them. They go into the games knowing that they have to win each game they play its what it is expected from Ireland and always has been for years under the glory years of BOD and it will continue for years to come.

Wowzers. England lost in Paris in the first game in the last minute. Then they beat every other team comfortably and lose on GD and you say they have bottled it, or crumbled. How an Irish fan can talk about bottling it I'll never know with their performances in world cups over the years. You can win the 6nations on GD, England will still be the only contenders for the WC from the home nations next year. Ireland will go out in a blaze of glory in the QF's again, earning a load of plaudits whilst watching the semi's and final in a bar in Dublin.

So a 3 point win over Ireland is beating Ireland comfortably??? Really?? Far from comfortable. I think its more of harder game than a comfortable game. I think its all about opinions at the end of the day. IF you dominated Ireland in that game you would of won by a greater margin which you didnt. Next year we will see how far England have come on. I think its going to be a long hard year with 2 hard away games in Ireland and Wales leading into the World Cup.
 
leighton said:
jay_mcfc said:
leighton said:
Jay its rugby mate. A forward pass is a forward pass. England have been building that team under Lancaster what is it now 3 years give or take?? You have been building for that long. You have been runners up 3 years running in the 6 Nations when it really matters England crumble under the pressure. Ireland have a team that have winners in it as do Wales. Look at that Irish team how many Heineken Cup winners was in that team yesterday?? That is why Ireland in that pressure game away to France dug in and got the result. That was the best of the French this season. Joe Schmidt has done some job since he took over. He has had the experience but you look at the bench and it is full of young players coming on into the pack whick makes our rebuilding job going well. Time will tell. You would be silly to write off Ireland or Wales from winning a World Cup I dont think anyone will beat the All Blacks but with rugby teams from here are closing the gap.
Ireland if they can keep the bulk of this squad together and fit could have a very good World Cup. I look at the groups and England have a hard group for the World Cup with Aussies and Welsh so thats going to be a hard group. Ireland have France and Italy in there group with a realistic chance of getting to the knock out stages as can you honestly say England will have it easy against Wales and Aus???
You go on about Aura well this Irish team and players have a winning Aura around them. They go into the games knowing that they have to win each game they play its what it is expected from Ireland and always has been for years under the glory years of BOD and it will continue for years to come.

Wowzers. England lost in Paris in the first game in the last minute. Then they beat every other team comfortably and lose on GD and you say they have bottled it, or crumbled. How an Irish fan can talk about bottling it I'll never know with their performances in world cups over the years. You can win the 6nations on GD, England will still be the only contenders for the WC from the home nations next year. Ireland will go out in a blaze of glory in the QF's again, earning a load of plaudits whilst watching the semi's and final in a bar in Dublin.

So a 3 point win over Ireland is beating Ireland comfortably??? Really?? Far from comfortable. I think its more of harder game than a comfortable game. I think its all about opinions at the end of the day. IF you dominated Ireland in that game you would of won by a greater margin which you didnt. Next year we will see how far England have come on. I think its going to be a long hard year with 2 hard away games in Ireland and Wales leading into the World Cup.

well we beat Ireland last year and the year before as well so really it's down to you guys to prove you can beat us, one of the top 4 test teams in the world, who since the last WC have beaten you 3 times, beaten NZ and Australia and only lost 1 game by more than 9 points (v Wales), which tells me that on home turf a 9 point swing is eminently able to overcome, whereas you guys have lost to us 3 times, despite a brave effort v NZ lost to them and lost by 17 to Aus, lost to Scotland and Italy last year, and a thumping down in NZ to boot.
 
leighton said:
jay_mcfc said:
leighton said:
Jay its rugby mate. A forward pass is a forward pass. England have been building that team under Lancaster what is it now 3 years give or take?? You have been building for that long. You have been runners up 3 years running in the 6 Nations when it really matters England crumble under the pressure. Ireland have a team that have winners in it as do Wales. Look at that Irish team how many Heineken Cup winners was in that team yesterday?? That is why Ireland in that pressure game away to France dug in and got the result. That was the best of the French this season. Joe Schmidt has done some job since he took over. He has had the experience but you look at the bench and it is full of young players coming on into the pack whick makes our rebuilding job going well. Time will tell. You would be silly to write off Ireland or Wales from winning a World Cup I dont think anyone will beat the All Blacks but with rugby teams from here are closing the gap.
Ireland if they can keep the bulk of this squad together and fit could have a very good World Cup. I look at the groups and England have a hard group for the World Cup with Aussies and Welsh so thats going to be a hard group. Ireland have France and Italy in there group with a realistic chance of getting to the knock out stages as can you honestly say England will have it easy against Wales and Aus???
You go on about Aura well this Irish team and players have a winning Aura around them. They go into the games knowing that they have to win each game they play its what it is expected from Ireland and always has been for years under the glory years of BOD and it will continue for years to come.

Wowzers. England lost in Paris in the first game in the last minute. Then they beat every other team comfortably and lose on GD and you say they have bottled it, or crumbled. How an Irish fan can talk about bottling it I'll never know with their performances in world cups over the years. You can win the 6nations on GD, England will still be the only contenders for the WC from the home nations next year. Ireland will go out in a blaze of glory in the QF's again, earning a load of plaudits whilst watching the semi's and final in a bar in Dublin.

So a 3 point win over Ireland is beating Ireland comfortably??? Really?? Far from comfortable. I think its more of harder game than a comfortable game. I think its all about opinions at the end of the day. IF you dominated Ireland in that game you would of won by a greater margin which you didnt. Next year we will see how far England have come on. I think its going to be a long hard year with 2 hard away games in Ireland and Wales leading into the World Cup.
If they win both of them, it's all part of the master plan. If they don't, it's all part of the master plan, too. Meanwhile, they happy clap as a handful of wankers destroy the game in the mosti nfluential country in the Northern Hemisphere.
They're worse than rags for delusional thinking. And that's saying a lot.
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
leighton said:
jay_mcfc said:
Wowzers. England lost in Paris in the first game in the last minute. Then they beat every other team comfortably and lose on GD and you say they have bottled it, or crumbled. How an Irish fan can talk about bottling it I'll never know with their performances in world cups over the years. You can win the 6nations on GD, England will still be the only contenders for the WC from the home nations next year. Ireland will go out in a blaze of glory in the QF's again, earning a load of plaudits whilst watching the semi's and final in a bar in Dublin.

So a 3 point win over Ireland is beating Ireland comfortably??? Really?? Far from comfortable. I think its more of harder game than a comfortable game. I think its all about opinions at the end of the day. IF you dominated Ireland in that game you would of won by a greater margin which you didnt. Next year we will see how far England have come on. I think its going to be a long hard year with 2 hard away games in Ireland and Wales leading into the World Cup.

well we beat Ireland last year and the year before as well so really it's down to you guys to prove you can beat us, one of the top 4 test teams in the world, who since the last WC have beaten you 3 times, beaten NZ and Australia and only lost 1 game by more than 9 points (v Wales), which tells me that on home turf a 9 point swing is eminently able to overcome, whereas you guys have lost to us 3 times, despite a brave effort v NZ lost to them and lost by 17 to Aus, lost to Scotland and Italy last year, and a thumping down in NZ to boot.

Its call a work in progress Joe. Under the new management we have progressed from last season. Its early days with Joe as the manager and from the signs of things they are progressing along very well. Ireland have never beaten New Zealand and would of done so this year only for a last minute try to take that win away from them. We have since gone on from there and won the 6 nations. IF thats not progressing under a new coach nothing is and also having 2 hard away games in France and England its always going to be hard to win a 6 nations with those 2 away games. As it will be the case for England next year. I think next year its all about peaking at the right time. 6 nations is early then World Cup we will be all trying to peak at the right time fo the year.
 
leighton said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
leighton said:
So a 3 point win over Ireland is beating Ireland comfortably??? Really?? Far from comfortable. I think its more of harder game than a comfortable game. I think its all about opinions at the end of the day. IF you dominated Ireland in that game you would of won by a greater margin which you didnt. Next year we will see how far England have come on. I think its going to be a long hard year with 2 hard away games in Ireland and Wales leading into the World Cup.

well we beat Ireland last year and the year before as well so really it's down to you guys to prove you can beat us, one of the top 4 test teams in the world, who since the last WC have beaten you 3 times, beaten NZ and Australia and only lost 1 game by more than 9 points (v Wales), which tells me that on home turf a 9 point swing is eminently able to overcome, whereas you guys have lost to us 3 times, despite a brave effort v NZ lost to them and lost by 17 to Aus, lost to Scotland and Italy last year, and a thumping down in NZ to boot.

Its call a work in progress Joe. Under the new management we have progressed from last season. Its early days with Joe as the manager and from the signs of things they are progressing along very well. Ireland have never beaten New Zealand and would of done so this year only for a last minute try to take that win away from them. We have since gone on from there and won the 6 nations. IF thats not progressing under a new coach nothing is and also having 2 hard away games in France and England its always going to be hard to win a 6 nations with those 2 away games. As it will be the case for England next year. I think next year its all about peaking at the right time. 6 nations is early then World Cup we will be all trying to peak at the right time fo the year.

yhp, and I don't think the English will be too worried by away defeats with a home World Cup, I think the big focus will be on a settled squad with trying to get everyone fit, whereas I see the 6 Nations as bigger for the Irish in terms of getting a strong team together and replacing the likes of BOD and getting some key wins to build confidence going into the tournament. At the end of the day I think one of the NH teams can make the final just because of home advantage and because in a one-off game I think the SH teams are beatable on this continent.<br /><br />-- Mar 17th, '14, 22:00 --<br /><br />
mad4city said:
leighton said:
jay_mcfc said:
Wowzers. England lost in Paris in the first game in the last minute. Then they beat every other team comfortably and lose on GD and you say they have bottled it, or crumbled. How an Irish fan can talk about bottling it I'll never know with their performances in world cups over the years. You can win the 6nations on GD, England will still be the only contenders for the WC from the home nations next year. Ireland will go out in a blaze of glory in the QF's again, earning a load of plaudits whilst watching the semi's and final in a bar in Dublin.

So a 3 point win over Ireland is beating Ireland comfortably??? Really?? Far from comfortable. I think its more of harder game than a comfortable game. I think its all about opinions at the end of the day. IF you dominated Ireland in that game you would of won by a greater margin which you didnt. Next year we will see how far England have come on. I think its going to be a long hard year with 2 hard away games in Ireland and Wales leading into the World Cup.
If they win both of them, it's all part of the master plan. If they don't, it's all part of the master plan, too. Meanwhile, they happy clap as a handful of wankers destroy the game in the mosti nfluential country in the Northern Hemisphere.
They're worse than rags for delusional thinking. And that's saying a lot.

why don't you elaborate on what the French & Irish are doing so right that the English are doing wrong.
 
Joe regarding the centers for Ireland next year. Well we have a few contenders. We were blessed with BOD and Darcy over the years. BODs creative play might not be seen in a Irish jersey as he proved this year. I dont think there has been many centers in world rugby who has played so well internationally. I was hoping he would stay on and retire at the World Cup as he clearly still got it. I think him going now is his way of going out on top. I would look at Fitzgerald in the center or even Tommy Bowe could be tried there as a stop gap. Luke Marshall will be given a chance too.
 
leighton said:
Joe regarding the centers for Ireland next year. Well we have a few contenders. We were blessed with BOD and Darcy over the years. BODs creative play might not be seen in a Irish jersey as he proved this year. I dont think there has been many centers in world rugby who has played so well internationally. I was hoping he would stay on and retire at the World Cup as he clearly still got it. I think him going now is his way of going out on top. I would look at Fitzgerald in the center or even Tommy Bowe could be tried there as a stop gap. Luke Marshall will be given a chance too.

It's taken England the best part of a decade to find some decent centres, I admire your confidence that a bunch of wingers can step in though.
 
without a dream said:
leighton said:
Joe regarding the centers for Ireland next year. Well we have a few contenders. We were blessed with BOD and Darcy over the years. BODs creative play might not be seen in a Irish jersey as he proved this year. I dont think there has been many centers in world rugby who has played so well internationally. I was hoping he would stay on and retire at the World Cup as he clearly still got it. I think him going now is his way of going out on top. I would look at Fitzgerald in the center or even Tommy Bowe could be tried there as a stop gap. Luke Marshall will be given a chance too.

It's taken England the best part of a decade to find some decent centres, I admire your confidence that a bunch of wingers can step in though.

yeah Tuilagi or Burrell? maybe Manu might end up on the wing, with Yarde on the other.
 
mad4city said:
Jim, there are more rugby players in England than in the rest of the Northern Hemisphere put together. It's ridiculous to expect every club side in Ireland to rise to the upper echelons of the game when England can barely produce ten.
I agree that the standard of the All Ireland League has slipped since the establishment of the four provinces as club sides. And yes, they are registered as club sides, by the way. Their successes have broadened the appeal of the game far beyond the traditional strongholds of Dublin 4, Protestant Ulster, a tiny bit of Cork and the whole of Limerick.
More new clubs have actually been formed in the last fifteen years than in the previous fifty. And they're being formed in staunch GAA country. It could be reasonably argued that rugby is thriving in Ireland.
I don't see what the problem is with Ireland having four top class sides. It's about right for our population and playing parc. Yes, the AIL needs a shot in the arm and there's probably too many clubs in Limerick (although that'll never change) but overall the game is in rude good health.
One final observation: I hear the English repeatedly bemoaning the Irish set up. Yet, the Welsh and the Scots are running rugby in a similar manner. Ye have no problem with them. In fact, ye tried to court the Welsh into betraying the greater good of the game recently. Is the real problem that the Irish sides are successful? If so, don't sweat it. This is a golden era and like all eras it'll end some day and we'll go back to having our arse handed to us in Paris and Twickenham and all will be right with the world again. Until that glorious day of reckoning, however, ye'll just have to forgive us if we don't feel an urge to apologise for having the temerity to be better than ye.
God, no. Not that fussed who wins it, as long as it isn't the French. Bloody cheese eating surrender monkeys!

;-)

Ireland actually played the most attractive rugby in the 6 nations this year and therefore, on that basis, deserved the championship. Prior to the tournament, I fancied Wales to do well; actually put a tenner on them. Cunts! And with the French, you never know which outfit will turn up; the good one, or the shite one. Scotland and Italy were ruled out before the tournament began. That left Ireland and England fighting it out for second place, in my opinion. What do I know!
 
JoeMercer'sWay said:
leighton said:
JoeMercer'sWay said:
well we beat Ireland last year and the year before as well so really it's down to you guys to prove you can beat us, one of the top 4 test teams in the world, who since the last WC have beaten you 3 times, beaten NZ and Australia and only lost 1 game by more than 9 points (v Wales), which tells me that on home turf a 9 point swing is eminently able to overcome, whereas you guys have lost to us 3 times, despite a brave effort v NZ lost to them and lost by 17 to Aus, lost to Scotland and Italy last year, and a thumping down in NZ to boot.

Its call a work in progress Joe. Under the new management we have progressed from last season. Its early days with Joe as the manager and from the signs of things they are progressing along very well. Ireland have never beaten New Zealand and would of done so this year only for a last minute try to take that win away from them. We have since gone on from there and won the 6 nations. IF thats not progressing under a new coach nothing is and also having 2 hard away games in France and England its always going to be hard to win a 6 nations with those 2 away games. As it will be the case for England next year. I think next year its all about peaking at the right time. 6 nations is early then World Cup we will be all trying to peak at the right time fo the year.

yhp, and I don't think the English will be too worried by away defeats with a home World Cup, I think the big focus will be on a settled squad with trying to get everyone fit, whereas I see the 6 Nations as bigger for the Irish in terms of getting a strong team together and replacing the likes of BOD and getting some key wins to build confidence going into the tournament. At the end of the day I think one of the NH teams can make the final just because of home advantage and because in a one-off game I think the SH teams are beatable on this continent.

-- Mar 17th, '14, 22:00 --

mad4city said:
leighton said:
So a 3 point win over Ireland is beating Ireland comfortably??? Really?? Far from comfortable. I think its more of harder game than a comfortable game. I think its all about opinions at the end of the day. IF you dominated Ireland in that game you would of won by a greater margin which you didnt. Next year we will see how far England have come on. I think its going to be a long hard year with 2 hard away games in Ireland and Wales leading into the World Cup.
If they win both of them, it's all part of the master plan. If they don't, it's all part of the master plan, too. Meanwhile, they happy clap as a handful of wankers destroy the game in the mosti nfluential country in the Northern Hemisphere.
They're worse than rags for delusional thinking. And that's saying a lot.

why don't you elaborate on what the French & Irish are doing so right that the English are doing wrong.

Go back just a less than a page on this very thread, to what I've posted earlier, if you want to know what I think the English are doing wrong.
If I was an English rugby supporter, I'd be ashamed of my life at the way the way your clubs have tried to bully the rest of Northern Hemisphere rugby. As for the French? I'd be hard pressed to defend that lot. Despicable bullies, both of ye!

Will that do?
 

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