Saddleworth2
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didn't really improve under Blair either mate.
6th Richest Country in the World?
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inchy14
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If you think you can feed a family of 4 for less than a £100 you’re fucking deluded.
And this is from a family of 3 who eat proper food, home cooked meals all week.
You show you’re so out of touch with reality each passing day.
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hilts
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You can't be missing the irony that the vast majority of the 'doing better countries' in Europe are closer to Corbyn than we are politically.
Its a bit rich(pun intended) to complain that as a country ruled by less socialist governments we are doing worse than more socialist ones in Europe.
The UK is held up by London, and in particular it's finance sector.
I saw a stat last year, and I could be a little off here, but it basically said if you took the GDP of London and it's greater areas out of the entire UK GDP equation, the GDP per capita of the UK would be on par with the GDP of the poorest states in the USA.
That's why there is a London bubble, and what they see inside it doesn't represent the rest of the UK.
I have family members who are quite well off who live in the home counties and work out of London, and you can tell the political world and vision of the UK is a million miles off what I see up here in Manchester,
I saw a stat last year, and I could be a little off here, but it basically said if you took the GDP of London and it's greater areas out of the entire UK GDP equation, the GDP per capita of the UK would be on par with the GDP of the poorest states in the USA.
That's why there is a London bubble, and what they see inside it doesn't represent the rest of the UK.
I have family members who are quite well off who live in the home counties and work out of London, and you can tell the political world and vision of the UK is a million miles off what I see up here in Manchester,
Saddleworth2
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A Labour leaflet mate?
I'm convinced. ;-)
In fact Blair's record on poverty is more nuanced than I originally stated so my bad.
In fact he did reduce Child poverty but not to the level of New Labours targets. It was back up to the same level he had inherited a year after he was out of office. Other categories of poverty actually increased under him (for example single working adults). The proportion of wealth held by the top 5% actually increased under NL so he did very little to address inequality. The major increases in poverty as a whole came under Thatcher and have been maintained more or less since.
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Between £100k and £125k the marginal tax rate is actually 60% due to the loss of the personal allowance. This still affects you if you earn above £125k, thats why everyone on these salaries sticks it in their pension and uses it up on salary sacrifice perks.
I would say the loss of the personal allowance is the most impactful rather than the higher rate of tax. If they just increased the tax slightly, I would be more inclined to take it as paid and not bung it in my pension, which would mean they got more out of me.
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Chippy_boy
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Vast majority closer to Corbyn? What nonsense. 2 or 3 perhaps.
Chippy_boy
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Well I suppose your fillet steaks would eat into it a bit. We are talking about poverty, not whether the chateaubriand is up to snuff.
Pull together for me a costed shopping list for food for a family of 4 (2 kids) for £100 or less for the week.
ChatGPT said:
Here’s a costed shopping list for a family of four (2 adults, 2 kids) aiming to feed everyone for a week on £100 or less. This plan focuses on prudent but healthy eating, avoiding processed junk while keeping costs down. It includes breakfasts, lunches, dinners, and snacks.Weekly Shopping List (£97.65 total)
| Category | Item | Quantity | Est. Price |
|---|---|---|---|
| Fresh Produce | Carrots | 1.5kg | £1.25 |
| Potatoes | 2.5kg | £1.99 | |
| Onions | 1kg | £0.85 | |
| Broccoli | 2 heads | £1.60 | |
| Apples | 6-pack | £1.40 | |
| Bananas | 6 | £1.20 | |
| Cucumber | 1 | £0.70 | |
| Tomatoes (salad) | 6-pack | £1.25 | |
| Peppers (mixed) | 3-pack | £1.45 | |
| Dairy | Milk (semi-skimmed) | 2 × 4 pints | £3.00 |
| Cheddar cheese | 400g | £2.50 | |
| Butter (or spread) | 500g | £1.89 | |
| Yoghurts (multi-pack) | 6-pack | £1.80 | |
| Meat/Fish | Chicken thighs (skinless/bone-in) | 1.2kg | £4.50 |
| Minced beef (5–10% fat) | 750g | £3.75 | |
| Sausages (good quality) | 8-pack | £2.50 | |
| Tuna (in brine) | 4-pack | £3.25 | |
| Store Cupboard | Pasta | 2 × 500g | £1.20 |
| Rice (long grain) | 1kg | £1.25 | |
| Baked beans | 4-pack | £1.50 | |
| Tinned chopped tomatoes | 4-pack | £1.80 | |
| Lentils (tinned or dried) | 1 × 500g/tin | £1.10 | |
| Passata | 1 × 500g | £0.75 | |
| Oats | 1kg | £1.30 | |
| Flour (plain or self-raising) | 1.5kg | £1.15 | |
| Stock cubes | 1 pack | £0.90 | |
| Cooking oil (vegetable/sunflower) | 1L | £1.75 | |
| Sugar (for porridge & baking) | 1kg | £1.00 | |
| Tea bags | 80-pack | £1.30 | |
| Coffee (basic instant) | 100g | £1.60 | |
| Bread/Cereal | Wholemeal bread | 2 loaves | £2.10 |
| Cereal (cornflakes or similar) | 750g | £1.30 | |
| Frozen | Frozen mixed vegetables | 1kg | £1.40 |
| Frozen peas | 1kg | £1.30 | |
| Frozen fish fingers | 10-pack | £2.40 | |
| Oven chips | 1.5kg | £1.80 | |
| Extras | Eggs (medium, free-range) | 12 | £2.30 |
| Biscuits (digestives or similar) | 400g | £0.75 | |
| Jam or peanut butter | 340–454g | £1.25 |
Total: £97.65
Rounded prices based on average UK supermarket own-brand options (e.g. Aldi, Lidl, Asda, Tesco).Chippy_boy
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I agree with you but £10 a month is a drop in the ocean. Just 2p on the basic rate if income tax for someone on average wage is about £40.
inchy14
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Where’s the hygiene and cleaning products? Have this poor family the correct equipment to cook all these ingredients?Well I suppose your fillet steaks would eat into it a bit. We are talking about poverty, not whether the chateaubriand is up to snuff.
Pull together for me a costed shopping list for food for a family of 4 (2 kids) for £100 or less for the week.
ChatGPT said:
Here’s a costed shopping list for a family of four (2 adults, 2 kids) aiming to feed everyone for a week on £100 or less. This plan focuses on prudent but healthy eating, avoiding processed junk while keeping costs down. It includes breakfasts, lunches, dinners, and snacks.
Weekly Shopping List (£97.65 total)
Category Item Quantity Est. Price Fresh Produce Carrots 1.5kg £1.25 Potatoes 2.5kg £1.99 Onions 1kg £0.85 Broccoli 2 heads £1.60 Apples 6-pack £1.40 Bananas 6 £1.20 Cucumber 1 £0.70 Tomatoes (salad) 6-pack £1.25 Peppers (mixed) 3-pack £1.45 Dairy Milk (semi-skimmed) 2 × 4 pints £3.00 Cheddar cheese 400g £2.50 Butter (or spread) 500g £1.89 Yoghurts (multi-pack) 6-pack £1.80 Meat/Fish Chicken thighs (skinless/bone-in) 1.2kg £4.50 Minced beef (5–10% fat) 750g £3.75 Sausages (good quality) 8-pack £2.50 Tuna (in brine) 4-pack £3.25 Store Cupboard Pasta 2 × 500g £1.20 Rice (long grain) 1kg £1.25 Baked beans 4-pack £1.50 Tinned chopped tomatoes 4-pack £1.80 Lentils (tinned or dried) 1 × 500g/tin £1.10 Passata 1 × 500g £0.75 Oats 1kg £1.30 Flour (plain or self-raising) 1.5kg £1.15 Stock cubes 1 pack £0.90 Cooking oil (vegetable/sunflower) 1L £1.75 Sugar (for porridge & baking) 1kg £1.00 Tea bags 80-pack £1.30 Coffee (basic instant) 100g £1.60 Bread/Cereal Wholemeal bread 2 loaves £2.10 Cereal (cornflakes or similar) 750g £1.30 Frozen Frozen mixed vegetables 1kg £1.40 Frozen peas 1kg £1.30 Frozen fish fingers 10-pack £2.40 Oven chips 1.5kg £1.80 Extras Eggs (medium, free-range) 12 £2.30 Biscuits (digestives or similar) 400g £0.75 Jam or peanut butter 340–454g £1.25 Rounded prices based on average UK supermarket own-brand options (e.g. Aldi, Lidl, Asda, Tesco).
100g of coffee won’t last too long if 2 adults are having 4 each a day?
Show me the good plan for the week, those chicken thighs won’t stretch too far between 4.
Nothing sweet for the kids but I guess these little urchins can make do with jam on toast eh?
You’ve just bought 12 total pieces of fruit for a family of 4 for 7 days, when 1 each would require 28, not sure I’d call that too healthy either.
And all that freezer stuff will go off if the freezers broke and they can’t afford a new one.
See that’s the reality of being poor, it’s not like AI or ChatGPT really think.
I’ve just done a basic weekly shop at Aldi for the 3 of us and it was just over £100, no cleaning products required this week either. So for some of the families I know or who my wife works with £100 to spend weekly would be luxury.
Chippy_boy
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I said food not cleaning products. And ok so say it's £150. That still leaves £310 per week on other stuff. Luxury? No of course not. Quite a struggle I would imagine. But it's not begging in the street with holes in your shoes either.
The £460/week was not my figure. It's the idiotic figure provided by some lefty organisation defining "poverty' as £460/week or less.
Anyway enough. This thread was about us NOT being the 6th richest country in the world.
hilts
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Which European countries you listed would you say are more right wing than the Tories for example ?
hilts
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You seem to concentrate on those richer people who do actually pay their tax, I think most as a starting point would like to see those rich who don't pay tax cough up.
Higher rate paye tax payers wouldn't be top of the list.
Corporations business owners and the self employed are though.
Chippy_boy
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My sister is self employed and has paid vastly less tax than me. Seriously vastly less by paying herself mainly in dividends and other ruses.
But to be honest, I think that's fair. I had the relative security of a job that paid me every month (ok, so sometimes there was a lot of pressure and threats of the sack or redundancy). Nothing like the pressure of having no fixed income, nor not earning anything when taking a holiday. People need to be given incentives to start businesses Vs just doing a 9 to 5 job.
Regards corporations, as I said above, wouldn't it be nice if we could attract corporations to try to pay their taxes in the UK rather than e.g. the Cayman Islands. Perhaps if we didn't try to fleece them, they'd actually want to pay it here rather than elsewhere.
Chippy_boy
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Tune change or what. You said politics similar to Corbyn, now I have to find ones more right wing than the Tories??? Which is not the same thing at all. No, I'm not playing that game.
You list the majority of them that you claim have similar politics to Corbyn. It was your claim not mine.
I'd argue Corbyn's sentence is right, in terms of "richness" because the UK is 6th on the National Net Wealth index, a better indicator of national wealth than GDP (which also happens to be 6th for the uk). This represents the total value of the state's residents and is assets minus liabilities.
It's just household wealth and not gov debt so is actually quite a good indicator of national wealth, especially when taken into context with GDP and GDP-PPP (but not always, have to be cautious)
If you have high national wealth (uk 6th) and poor purchase power parity gdp (uk 28th), then somethings wrong, possibly poor economic activity or disparity in wealth distribution....
The poverty thing i don't know.
Chippy_boy
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Which of these countries could be said to have governments with politics broadly as left wing as those of Jeremy Corbyn:
[List of European countries richer than us]
ChatGPT:
"Of the countries you listed, none have governments as broadly and consistently left-wing as Jeremy Corbyn's political platform during his time as UK Labour leader (2015–2020)."
(Not wanting to spam the thread, I will PM you the detailed breakdown if you want)
[List of European countries richer than us]
ChatGPT:
"Of the countries you listed, none have governments as broadly and consistently left-wing as Jeremy Corbyn's political platform during his time as UK Labour leader (2015–2020)."
(Not wanting to spam the thread, I will PM you the detailed breakdown if you want)
hilts
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So let me get this right you think certain groups shouldn't have to pay the legally due tax because they took a risk? You think companies are getting fleeced but would turn into nice people if we didn't ask for as much tax? You also think that that higher rate tax payers shouldn't pay much more if any.
So who is actually gonna pay anymore ?and if I change my job tomorrow I presume I can pay no tax at my own whim if I think it's into a risky business coz I might lose my job.
Kinnell fella:-)
hilts
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In fairness the banana cheese tuna in brine and lentil pie wirh jam on top sounds lovely:-)