7 | Joao Cancelo - 2022/23 Performances

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madloaf said:
Ok. Youre entitled to your opinion. When he's on it i love him but he was bad after he was robbed last year. He's not a patch on Walker on the right and that was clear early doors. He suffered the usual first season pep stuff and he was left on the bench for the UCL final so any suggestion hes been "one of the very best for 3 years" is demonstrably false.

When he's good he's very good, but any suggestion he's been good for more than half a season in the past two and half years is, imo, not true. Until it becomes true I stand by my statement.
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Its everywhere Fifa-thinking to much, but ok, lets check Your facts first.

He was not playing UCL final as he was not playing semi final, because he was injured, not fully recovered.

Lets check some stats for last „2 and a half years” about Cancelo:

2022-2023: 7.15 rating so far, more than Gundogan and Bernardo for instance, full backs? Only Trippier ahead of him! https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023

- 2021/2022 : Joao Cancelo 4th full back in the world, https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...t-alexander-arnold-liverpool-man-city-cancelo

- 2020/2021: whoscored rating 7.31, 9th in Premier League among ALL players and BEST full back, https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2020-2021

And You are still hear, convincing me against our own player, that he is of use for max 10 games of the season?:D I am sorry, i do not get it at any level: impressions, defense/offense, impact.
 
IronsideKozuch said:
Its everywhere Fifa-thinking to much, but ok, lets check Your facts first.

He was not playing UCL final as he was not playing semi final, because he was injured, not fully recovered.

Lets check some stats for last „2 and a half years” about Cancelo:

2022-2023: 7.15 rating so far, more than Gundogan and Bernardo for instance, full backs? Only Trippier ahead of him! https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023

- 2021/2022 : Joao Cancelo 4th full back in the world, https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...t-alexander-arnold-liverpool-man-city-cancelo

- 2020/2021: whoscored rating 7.31, 9th in Premier League among ALL players and BEST full back, https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2020-2021

And You are still hear, convincing me against our own player, that he is of use for max 10 games of the season?:D I am sorry, i do not get it at any level: impressions, defense/offense, impact.
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Think you'll find the opinions are more about watching him play and seeing his defensive performance than stats.

To be fair, Cancelo doesn't have to do a lot of defending so those stats are based on his offensive play and in patches he has been one of our most effective attackers. That is where he has got his good stats

As a defender he is poor, out of position a lot, weak tackling. As a wing back he has been excellent. We lose goals on the break, this is where Walker excels in recovery due to his speed but Cancelo does not have that in his armour.
 
BedsBlue68 said:
Think you'll find the opinions are more about watching him play and seeing his defensive performance than stats.

To be fair, Cancelo doesn't have to do a lot of defending so those stats are based on his offensive play and in patches he has been one of our most effective attackers. That is where he has got his good stats

As a defender he is poor, out of position a lot, weak tackling. As a wing back he has been excellent. We lose goals on the break, this is where Walker excels in recovery due to his speed but Cancelo does not have that in his armour.
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Nope, modern game is a constant offensive-defensive work. In City team it simply usually happens in other areas of pitch than our own half - its the reality for all best teams and best full backs upon those teams. As we know, City conducts games on the front foot, so defensive work is mostly excercised during pressing, breaking counters and not through classic defensive block.

It does not mean its out of defensive talent to make it well, quite the opposite. But it is easier to look exposed, when opponent is running at you full speed during fast counter attack.

Thats why real people of football like Pep or Klopp would never agree with You, that Cancelo or TAA are shit defenders.

There is huge difference between being better in offensive activities than defensive and to say, that Cancelo is not up to a standard defensively, while he regularly stops best offensive talent in the world.

At the end, its debate, but its shocking for me as well, that there are people who would say, that Cancelo is not good enough for City:D Isn't it true? How may You interpretate in another way statement, that he is good for us only for 10 games per season? Its plain heresis.
 
IronsideKozuch said:
Its everywhere Fifa-thinking to much, but ok, lets check Your facts first.

He was not playing UCL final as he was not playing semi final, because he was injured, not fully recovered.

Lets check some stats for last „2 and a half years” about Cancelo:

2022-2023: 7.15 rating so far, more than Gundogan and Bernardo for instance, full backs? Only Trippier ahead of him! https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023

- 2021/2022 : Joao Cancelo 4th full back in the world, https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...t-alexander-arnold-liverpool-man-city-cancelo

- 2020/2021: whoscored rating 7.31, 9th in Premier League among ALL players and BEST full back, https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2020-2021

And You are still hear, convincing me against our own player, that he is of use for max 10 games of the season?:D I am sorry, i do not get it at any level: impressions, defense/offense, impact.
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I respect your research. But hey, that's whats good about a forum - healthy debate.

Quick note: As far as i recall for the UCL final, he played the league games between the semi and the final (so he was fully fit) , and only missed the last game against Everton because he was suspended after being sent off after 10mins against Brighton
 
IronsideKozuch said:
Nope, modern game is a constant offensive-defensive work. In City team it simply usually happens in other areas of pitch than our own half - its the reality for all best teams and best full backs upon those teams. As we know, City conducts games on the front foot, so defensive work is mostly excercised during pressing, breaking counters and not through classic defensive block.

It does not mean its out of defensive talent to make it well, quite the opposite. But it is easier to look exposed, when opponent is running at you full speed during fast counter attack.

Thats why real people of football like Pep or Klopp would never agree with You, that Cancelo or TAA are shit defenders.

There is huge difference between being better in offensive activities than defensive and to say, that Cancelo is not up to a standard defensively, while he regularly stops best offensive talent in the world.

At the end, its debate, but its shocking for me as well, that there are people who would say, that Cancelo is not good enough for City:D Isn't it true? How may You interpretate in another way statement, that he is good for us only for 10 games per season? Its plain heresis.
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Two things - where have i said he is "only good for 10 games a season" or that he is "not good enough for City"? I have not criticised Cancelo as he plays a vital part for us - however i recognise his weaknesses

Second, you are missing the point being made - Cancelo defensively is regularly found wanting in the way Walker for example is not on the right but Cancelo is there for another role - his abilities in the other half of the pitch. That is what Pep wants him to do and when Walker plays the frailties in Cancelo's defensive game is covered as walker can cover the right side of teh pitch and allow the central defenders to cover the rest.

However to deny that Cancelo has defensive frailties boggles the mind - yesterday for Portugal, Various times last year where he loses his man. We are regularly targetted on that side so opposition managers see it. In the same way that Ederson is not the best shot stopper in the world, however is the perfect keeper for the way we play
 
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BedsBlue68 said:
Two things - where have i said he is "only good for 10 games a season" or that he is "not good enough for City"? I have not criticised Cancelo as he plays a vital part for us - however i recognise his weaknesses

Second, you are missing the point being made - Cancelo defensively is regularly found wanting in the way Walker for example is not on the right but Cancelo is there for another role - his abilities in the other half of the pitch. That is what Pep wants him to do and when Walker plays the frailties in Cancelo's defensive game is covered as walker can cover the right side of teh pitch and allow the central defenders to cover the rest.

However to deny that Cancelo has defensive frailties boggles the mind - yesterday for Portugal, Various times last year where he loses his man. We are regularly targetted on that side so opposition managers see it. In the same way that Ederson is not the best shot stopper in the world, however is the perfect keeper for the way we play
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Fair enough, its hard to say, what is a point, when You responded firstly to my response to another poster, who made this exactly statement. I was shocked of this and it was my response, which found You interested in topic:)
 
IronsideKozuch said:
Its everywhere Fifa-thinking to much, but ok, lets check Your facts first.

He was not playing UCL final as he was not playing semi final, because he was injured, not fully recovered.

Lets check some stats for last „2 and a half years” about Cancelo:

2022-2023: 7.15 rating so far, more than Gundogan and Bernardo for instance, full backs? Only Trippier ahead of him! https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2022-2023

- 2021/2022 : Joao Cancelo 4th full back in the world, https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...t-alexander-arnold-liverpool-man-city-cancelo

- 2020/2021: whoscored rating 7.31, 9th in Premier League among ALL players and BEST full back, https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2020-2021

And You are still hear, convincing me against our own player, that he is of use for max 10 games of the season?:D I am sorry, i do not get it at any level: impressions, defense/offense, impact.
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Pep played him more minutes than any other other outfield player last season.

Every one of our players gets similar treatment from some mapped or other
 
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