#7 | Raheem Sterling - 2020/21 Performances

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city warrior said:
Mario Gomez was the main goal contributor to Bayern 2010-2012. Does anyone think he was the best player above Ribery, Robben, Muller, Lahm, Kroos, Neuer? No one.

Does a hard assist, that only KDB could do in the team, have the same impact as an easy assist? Does a goal for 4-0 have the same value as a goal for 1-0? The most important stat is which goals/assists were fundamental to get 3 points. Even then, 2-1 against Dortmund was thanks to an excellent pass by KDB, but that was not an assist, how do we count those? Even then, for Man C only 5 players are really offensive and have the shot to be the one who has the highest amount of important contributed goals. Does that mean that the other 6 players cannot be the most important player for City?

Give me a player that has 20 goals+ assists, but manages the tempo of the team, has a champion mentality, great technique and dribbling ( a Foden or KDB), over a 40 goals+ assist whose only contributions to the game are the goals and assists (Mario Gomez). The only way to know which players are the most important for the team is to watch the games.

I agree that for 2017-2019 Sterling was top 2/top 3 player for Man C , but there is no way he's been the most important player for City in the last 5 years. KDB and Aguero are the most important for the team. Sterling is probably the third.

About this season, let' focus on how the team plays, and which players are fundamental to the way we play. Those, and the ones who have scored important goals or assists or great passes or managed the tempo of the game, are the best players for the team on the current season, not the ones who score the most. I would say that: KDB, Dias, Gundogan, Foden are easily more impactful than Sterling this season. And players like Cancelo, Rodri, Stones, Bernardo have had more impact on the way we play than Sterling. Even Mahrez and Gabriel Jesus have an argument to be more important players this season than Sterling.
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That's the recency bias that some have against certain players kicking in. Same happened to gundogan before this season where some pretended he wasn't a big part of the 18/19 treble-winning season and only started being good this current one because he's scoring more. But lets talk about sterling this season and his 'impact' or lack thereof.

Scored the opening goal against leeds in a game that ended a 1-1 draw.
Scored the only goal against arsenal in a 1-0 win
Scored the opening goal and won the penalty for the second in a 2-0 win against fulham
Scored the only goal in a 1-0 win against southampton.
Scored the only goal once again in a 1-0 win against arsenal.

That's 3 winning goals and 7 points(including the draw) I can count that his goals alone has won the team this season and most of those are games where his goal instincts and movement in being at the right place helped the side secure important wins.

To add to that, he started and played in all but 6 games(3 being in the cups) during the 21-game winning run the team went on earlier in the season that has put the side in the position they are in now challenging for 4 trophies. This run included a stretch of wins against liverpool, spurs, everton and arsenal on the bounce where he started and played his part in even captaining the side in two of them.

For the standards he set the past 3 seasons it has been an admittedly underwhelming season by him performance-wise. But to pretend he hasn't contributed or had any impact on the season the side is having is just not true and is a larger part of the reason some here often tend to go the other way in defending him. You can easily say his performances haven't been up to par for most of this season and very few would argue with you about that.

It's when it reaches exaggerated and hyperbolic levels where false and ridiculous statements are being made whenever his form dips that gets on people and there've been a few of those the past few months from traore(yes wolves traore) being a better/preferred player or that a winger who scored 31 goals the previous season hasn't played well or had a match-winning game in 18 months. These statements often come from a clouded view of him as a player despite there being evidence to the contrary.

It's the same as when rival fans think he isn't one on the few world-class players in the england squad and shouldn't be one of the first names on the sheet and is only good because of the players/system he has at city when in actual fact (as shown from the video below) he was the player who had the most goal involvements of anyone during the qualifiers that got the side to the euros. It's always the case of perception versus reality when it comes to some people's judgement/opinions of him as a player.

 
city warrior said:
Mario Gomez was the main goal contributor to Bayern 2010-2012. Does anyone think he was the best player above Ribery, Robben, Muller, Lahm, Kroos, Neuer? No one.

Does a hard assist, that only KDB could do in the team, have the same impact as an easy assist? Does a goal for 4-0 have the same value as a goal for 1-0? The most important stat is which goals/assists were fundamental to get 3 points. Even then, 2-1 against Dortmund was thanks to an excellent pass by KDB, but that was not an assist, how do we count those? Even then, for Man C only 5 players are really offensive and have the shot to be the one who has the highest amount of important contributed goals. Does that mean that the other 6 players cannot be the most important player for City?

Give me a player that has 20 goals+ assists, but manages the tempo of the team, has a champion mentality, great technique and dribbling ( a Foden or KDB), over a 40 goals+ assist whose only contributions to the game are the goals and assists (Mario Gomez). The only way to know which players are the most important for the team is to watch the games.

I agree that for 2017-2019 Sterling was top 2/top 3 player for Man C , but there is no way he's been the most important player for City in the last 5 years. KDB and Aguero are the most important for the team. Sterling is probably the third.

About this season, let' focus on how the team plays, and which players are fundamental to the way we play. Those, and the ones who have scored important goals or assists or great passes or managed the tempo of the game, are the best players for the team on the current season, not the ones who score the most. I would say that: KDB, Dias, Gundogan, Foden are easily more impactful than Sterling this season. And players like Cancelo, Rodri, Stones, Bernardo have had more impact on the way we play than Sterling. Even Mahrez and Gabriel Jesus have an argument to be more important players this season than Sterling.
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Mario Gomez got a massive injury in his last season and missed many games, and this also transitioned into Pep Guardiola becoming the new coach who wanted different players.

Sterling is always fit and was bought FOR Pep and he has relied on him season after season, so Mario Gomez is a bad comparison.

Sterling ranking 1st in those metrics is mearly to show how important he has been, I'd agree that KdB and Aguero have been more important to the team, but mind you, both have been injured and out for spells, and Sterling is always fit and delivering, but yes, those 2 are better, still, Sterling's contributions being up there with them is absolutely massive.

You talk about this season, as others do, as if Sterling doesn't fit due to a new style of play. What I'll say is that elite speed and positioning is always a weapon every coach will want in their arsenal regardless of play, evident by the fact that EVEN THIS SEASON, Sterling has more minutes than any forwards, and more goal contributions than everybody, he is still ranked 1st in supposedly this terrible season he is having.

So I say, does it make sense for Pep to get rid of a player who has contributed so much to our success under him, no. Has this season changed our style so much that Sterling doesn't fit, no. Maybe Foden is shining right now, and that's great for us, but Sterling has contributed and played many minutes this season, people seem to forget this.

You can't claim he isn't important to us or Pep when he plays this many minutes, makes no sense. Foden is in hot form right now and is starting over him, that's fine, but too many people downplay Sterling.
 
WallyA said:
Mario Gomez got a massive injury in his last season and missed many games, and this also transitioned into Pep Guardiola becoming the new coach who wanted different players.

Sterling is always fit and was bought FOR Pep and he has relied on him season after season, so Mario Gomez is a bad comparison.

Sterling ranking 1st in those metrics is mearly to show how important he has been, I'd agree that KdB and Aguero have been more important to the team, but mind you, both have been injured and out for spells, and Sterling is always fit and delivering, but yes, those 2 are better, still, Sterling's contributions being up there with them is absolutely massive.

You talk about this season, as others do, as if Sterling doesn't fit due to a new style of play. What I'll say is that elite speed and positioning is always a weapon every coach will want in their arsenal regardless of play, evident by the fact that EVEN THIS SEASON, Sterling has more minutes than any forwards, and more goal contributions than everybody, he is still ranked 1st in supposedly this terrible season he is having.

So I say, does it make sense for Pep to get rid of a player who has contributed so much to our success under him, no. Has this season changed our style so much that Sterling doesn't fit, no. Maybe Foden is shining right now, and that's great for us, but Sterling has contributed and played many minutes this season, people seem to forget this.

You can't claim he isn't important to us or Pep when he plays this many minutes, makes no sense. Foden is in hot form right now and is starting over him, that's fine, but too many people downplay Sterling.
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I agree he's still an important player, and people shit on him too much. I just wanted to clarify that scoring a lot of goals and assist doesn't make the most important player for a team (Maro Gomez).

He has played that many minutes because he was super important 2017-2020 for us, so of course, Pep trusts him and wants to recover him for the last part of the season, but only based on his performance this season, he shouldn't be the forward with the most minutes.

I don't want to shit on Sterling, again I think he's been the 3rd most important player for the last 5 years. This is about this season and the next. I think we should sell him because the team plays differently now, and it doesn't favor Sterling's strengths, so there are other players that are a better fit for what the team now wants. And, we could get a lot of money from him (60-80 m). If he stays, like you said speed and positioning are great weapons, but I wouldn't pay 300k/week for that when our new style, now, is slower.
 
city warrior said:
I agree he's still an important player, and people shit on him too much. I just wanted to clarify that scoring a lot of goals and assist doesn't make the most important player for a team (Maro Gomez).

He has played that many minutes because he was super important 2017-2020 for us, so of course, Pep trusts him and wants to recover him for the last part of the season, but only based on his performance this season, he shouldn't be the forward with the most minutes.

I don't want to shit on Sterling, again I think he's been the 3rd most important player for the last 5 years. This is about this season and the next. I think we should sell him because the team plays differently now, and it doesn't favor Sterling's strengths, so there are other players that are a better fit for what the team now wants. And, we could get a lot of money from him (60-80 m). If he stays, like you said speed and positioning are great weapons, but I wouldn't pay 300k/week for that when our new style, now, is slower.
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I see what your saying, but you just doesn't make any sense to me, respectfully.

but only based on his performance this season, he shouldn't be the forward with the most minutes.

But he is! Here is your contradiction (and read the poster above me "Callum Ramsey" who replied to you also with specific evidence), he has the most minutes of our forwards this season, in a title winning run, with a record breaking winning run... do you see the problem here! Contributing many goals and assists in this time.

I think we should sell him because the team plays differently now, and it doesn't favor Sterling's strengths, so there are other players that are a better fit for what the team now wants

I also already answered this, but too many people think Sterling doesn't work on this new "Style" of football. To be honest, people are putting so much weight into this new style, when all it really is, is a emphasis towards dominating the center of the pitch, but we still use our wingers in quick transitions to allow them to get 1 on 1s as you saw with Foden against Dortmund. Wingers going 1 on 1 has been central to Pep's tactics since he left Barca.

Also the shear number of minutes this season also disproves this, but I already mentioned that in the previous paragraph.

I think we should sell him because the team plays differently now, and it doesn't favor Sterling's strengths, so there are other players that are a better fit for what the team now wants. And, we could get a lot of money from him (60-80 m). If he stays, like you said speed and positioning are great weapons, but I wouldn't pay 300k/week for that when our new style, now, is slower.

Here is the next problem, first of all selling makes no sense because of the previous 2 paragraphs I wrote. But also, the wage demands are not known, just rumours. It seems like all our main squad who sign new contracts will get a wage increase, from whatever they earn now. Assuming it's not a drastic increase from what he's currently on then he should get it, a small increase is normal from new contract to new contract. He's earned it. We've won trophies because of him.
 
CmonCity92 said:
Is Sterling even in a good position in term of negotiations?
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Considering:

1) He's our biggest goal contributor over the past years.
2) He's got an impeccable fitness record.
3) He's got lightning pace.
4) He's got brilliant movement.
5) He counts as homegrown.
6) He's very likely our most marketable player.
7) He's only now entering the prime of his career.

And probably other stuff too.

I'd say he's probably in a decent position in terms of negotiations.
 
mccity said:
Considering:

1) He's our biggest goal contributor over the past years.
2) He's got an impeccable fitness record.
3) He's got lightning pace.
4) He's got brilliant movement.
5) He counts as homegrown.
6) He's very likely our most marketable player.
7) He's only now entering the prime of his career.

And probably other stuff too.

I'd say he's probably in a decent position in terms of negotiations.
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But other than that what did Sterling do for us ? ;-)
 
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