737-8 max plane goes down (2018) - new not Max crash Indonesia

[ChicagoBlue]

A limiting factor on what though? The 737 is meant to be cheap and cheerful where any gains are always going to be pretty small and certainly invisible to passengers. The big buyers such as Ryanair and Southwest are very cost sensitive, they just want low costs above all else and new designs always represent higher costs, at least initially. The 737MAX has actually sold very well specifically because it is a reused design.

Newer designs are also a bit of a risk because the long term costs are mostly unknown. Manufacturers may use new and lighter materials such as carbon fibre for example which sounds great. This isn't great though when it turns out that repairing those materials costs a lot because they're more complicated.

Airbus are no different to Boeing anyway, they recently re-engined and rehashed their A320 and A330 which are both 40 year old designs. The only new aircraft that Airbus has built recently is the A350 and that only came to exist because their 4-engine programmes (A340 & A380) never sold well and were eventually killed off. Without the A350 Airbus would have had a gigantic hole in their assembly lines.

(Not directed at you, @inbetween but just spring boarding off your post.)

Two A321neo engines blew up recently, but no-one seems to know or care, so no biggie, eh?!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Well aware of that mate.

Especially considering half the Uber drivers are pissed / stoned / fresh off the boat

I meant in your own car, but yeah let’s go with the stoned Johnny Foreigner!

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I meant in your own car, but yeah let’s go with the stoned Johnny Foreigner!

Even worse if the mrs is driving, she drives like Romain Grosjean after he’s had 8 pints

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I won’t fly Ryanair since they went to the 737max

That’s mental!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

787 lithium batteries problems say hi.

As does 2013!!

 

[BlueMonkey79]

I’d rather get a bus through Liverpool town centre with the City badge plastered all over it then get on a Boeing aircraft.

I know the odds are still tiny on something going wrong but there’s clearly something going deeply wrong at Boeing.

Never get the argument that some people choose not to get on certain airliners/aircraft, but will happily jump in car and drive every day. Flying is the most safest mode of transport.


1,766 people were killed on our roads last year.

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Something deeply wrong with some of our driving standards.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

1,766 people were killed on our roads last year.

UK collision and casualty statistics | Brake

Find out more about people killed or hurt on roads

www.brake.org.uk

Something deeply wrong with some of our driving standards.

I’ve said for years that people should have to retake their test every 10 years, and every 5 years once they hit 60.

So many FOCs out there who passed their test on a horse and cart before traffic lights were invented and are now whizzing round not knowing what day it is through a cataract haze, paying about 50 quid a year for insurance.

 

[PragueBlue]

The trip TO the airport is more dangerous than your flight!

I know that it statistically is but my perception is somehow different. I haven't been on a plane for probably about 10 years now and hope I never have to again. I know it's not rational but it's just the way I feel. I only travel abroad by train these days, which is probably statistically more dangerous but doesn't feel that way.

Flying for me is absolute torture and the only way I can just about manage it is by flying first class on one of those planes that have separate compartments, so at least my tension doesn't affect others.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I know that it statistically is but my perception is somehow different. I haven't been on a plane for probably about 10 years now and hope I never have to again. I know it's not rational but it's just the way I feel. I only travel abroad by train these days, which is probably statistically more dangerous but doesn't feel that way.

Flying for me is absolute torture and the only way I can just about manage it is by flying first class on one of those planes that have separate compartments, so at least my tension doesn't affect others.

As you can see from the OP, the teething problems on the MAX were a self-created black eye for Boeing, no question, but it was 8 years ago and everyone understands the issue now.

That said, you have to make yourself happy and if that means trains, that is your choice to make.

I respect your freedom to choose, even though you readily acknowledge your irrational fear. I like trains, too, as long as it’s a quiet cabin!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I’ve said for years that people should have to retake their test every 10 years, and every 5 years once they hit 60.

So many FOCs out there who passed their test on a horse and cart before traffic lights were invented and are now whizzing round not knowing what day it is through a cataract haze, paying about 50 quid a year for insurance.

If they were causing the accidents, they’d be paying through the nose, old or not!