#8 | Ilkay Gündoğan - 2020/21 Performances

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No , we are not really as one.

Those who always thought he was an elite player
Those that pretend they always knew he was an elite player.

Guess which side pep is on.
He was always a great player but him and rodders together as dm's didnt work time after time after time , that was my problem , cant speak for everyone but that was most peoples beef when team came out

Then there are the smug ones ...
 
He was always a great player but him and rodders together as dm's didnt work time after time after time , that was my problem , cant speak for everyone but that was most peoples beef when team came out

Then there are the smug ones ...

I wasn't directing my reply at you, but I am certainly not at " one "with people who were calling him"wank" and "gash" until recently. And this week calling him "gundo", skin like nitrile some folk.
And you were wrong they do and can play together, if anyone was "smug" it was those who knew better than Pep, and said he had a "blindspot" he doesn't he has 20 20.
 
I wasn't directing my reply at you, but I am certainly not at " one "with people who were calling him"wank" and "gash" until recently. And this week calling him "gundo", skin like nitrile some folk.
And you were wrong they do and can play together, if anyone was "smug" it was those who knew better than Pep, and said he had a "blindspot" he doesn't he has 20 20.
Pep has adjusted the way gundy plays , that is why everyone is pleased, you took my flippant all as one too literally
 
The problem of Gundogan and Rodri playing together before wasn't "their" problem at all, it was Pep's.

They did their jobs fine in the 4231, but the issue becomes if you play 4231 you lose an extra attacking midfielder, plus, you need BOTH of your fullbacks to overlap to stretch the pitch to then make it work (Atleast that's how 4231 has been deployed typically). Liverpool, United, off the top of my head can make this work with their players and it suits them.

Our team just doesn't play this way at all (we've done it under Mancini and Pellegrini), Pep had the wingers wide, play inside, he tried lots of things in the 4231, but the attack always looked off (defense was fine).

The other problem was that you need the 10 to score goals if your sacrificing one midfielder deeper (Gundogan) and Kevin simply wasn't scoring.

We could probably make it work now with Gundogan as the 10, Bernie next to Rodri with Cancelo coming in to recreate the 4 man midfield we have now, but Pep didn't think of that back then.
 
Stoked for your boy @Dax777. Always rated him going forward. Putting in work. Need him to bag another 6-7 goals and win the PotS that YaYa should have won in 13/14.
 
Stoked for your boy @Dax777. Always rated him going forward. Putting in work. Need him to bag another 6-7 goals and win the PotS that YaYa should have won in 13/14.
I've always been partial to the idea of giving out POTS to the best player from the club that won PL. These days though they really are trying their best not to give it to the winning PL club possibly because we are winning it so much. Giving it to Kevin this year was their attempt at being impartial. They could no longer give it to Livarpool for sure after they had set the narrative and the professional snatchers getting the last 2 from us, 3 when you include the Yaya snub. My guess is they will pick either Grealish or Fernandes for POTS.
 
I've always been partial to the idea of giving out POTS to the best player from the club that won PL. These days though they really are trying their best not to give it to the winning PL club possibly because we are winning it so much. Giving it to Kevin this year was their attempt at being impartial. They could no longer give it to Livarpool for sure after they had set the narrative and the professional snatchers getting the last 2 from us, 3 when you include the Yaya snub. My guess is they will pick either Grealish or Fernandes for POTS.

By 'they' you mean all PL players collectively?
 
I've always been partial to the idea of giving out POTS to the best player from the club that won PL. These days though they really are trying their best not to give it to the winning PL club possibly because we are winning it so much. Giving it to Kevin this year was their attempt at being impartial. They could no longer give it to Livarpool for sure after they had set the narrative and the professional snatchers getting the last 2 from us, 3 when you include the Yaya snub. My guess is they will pick either Grealish or Fernandes for POTS.
My sense is that the POTS is still extremely likely to come from the club that wins the title.
 
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