8 second rule

Dicko69 said:
It won't stop any player doing that, or speed up taking goal kicks or throw ins or free kicks.
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But the goalie can stay on pitch when he “recovers” from treatment whereas outfielders have to go off for 30 seconds
 
Dicko69 said:

The 6 second rule is never enforced, when was the last time an indirect free kick was awarded?
They've trialled this and the trials went well. As long as it's enforced and stuck to, I think it's good. Pickford/raya lie on the floor for 20seconds and another 20 seconds after they stand up.
It's in effect in the prem from next season.
Once a few corners are conceded, keepers will learn, it will speed the game up, which suits us. But it needs sticking to and not lapsing.
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Think it may have been @richardtheref who said the original directive given was that 'the six seconds started as soon as opposition players cleared the penalty area', which I think is the correct way to enforce it
 
dickie davies said:
Think it may have been @richardtheref who said the original directive given was that 'the six seconds started as soon as opposition players cleared the penalty area', which I think is the correct way to enforce it
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I doubt he said that, as it’s total bollocks. There’s no requirement for players to clear the box, or anywhere else on the field, whilst the ball is in play.
 
drthingy said:
Only way it would work would be if a countdown clock appeared on the screen. Obs this would be open to manipulation at the rags and dips but plus ca change
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It won’t be shown on any screens. The referee is the only official timekeeper.

The purpose of having the referee count down the last five seconds visually, is to ensure there is consistency, as close as is possible, from one match to the other and one referee to another.

It also makes it very difficult for it to gradually become one of these things that is enforced less and less frequently, until we reach the stage where it’s never enforced. Such as the current six second rule.

I personally can’t see any negatives to it.
 
Stephen230 said:
I doubt he said that, as it’s total bollocks. There’s no requirement for players to clear the box, or anywhere else on the field, whilst the ball is in play.
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No, there isn't, but officials attend self improvement conferences, before the season starts, and are spoken to about how the new laws or amended laws are to be interpreted and enforced
Top level refs also visit clubs and explain to players and managers how these new and amended laws will be implemented
 
I thought the 8 second rule had something to do with what length of time a piece of food,that fell on the floor, could be safely eaten.
Its only 6 seconds for a buttered team cracker.
 
Stephen230 said:
It won’t be shown on any screens. The referee is the only official timekeeper.

The purpose of having the referee count down the last five seconds visually, is to ensure there is consistency, as close as is possible, from one match to the other and one referee to another.

It also makes it very difficult for it to gradually become one of these things that is enforced less and less frequently, until we reach the stage where it’s never enforced. Such as the current six second rule.

I personally can’t see any negatives to it.
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Just about to watch my lad ref now. He is preparing for this new law for next season. He’s been practising counting down from 5 to zero!! Thought I’d get it in first.
 
dickie davies said:
Top level refs also visit clubs and explain to players and managers how these new and amended laws will be implemented
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only to then discover that each ref has their own interpretation of these new and amended laws and that the implementation of them will be arbitrary and then probably forgotten about and not applied by Christmas.
 
TinFoilHat said:
My ex didn't.

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Refs found it too hard to organise indirect free kicks, and they took a long time, so they stopped enforcing the rule after a few months and rarely give pass back IDFKs unless 100% obvious.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
only to then discover that each ref has their own interpretation of these new and amended laws and that the implementation of them will be arbitrary and then probably forgotten about and not applied by Christmas.
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How many times have we heard players and managers complain, following a game, that a decision was not made with the criteria as they were told in pre season by a visiting official
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
only to then discover that each ref has their own interpretation of these new and amended laws and that the implementation of them will be arbitrary and then probably forgotten about and not applied by Christmas.
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That’s precisely the reason they’ve instructed referees to give a visual countdown.

You’ll get people with stopwatches claiming that a ref in one instance didn’t start the five second countdown for 4 seconds instead of 3 and stuff like that. But it’s going to be pretty difficult to just ignore as a referee, once it’s written in law that they must do it.
 
Idea is sound but execution of it will create many issues and it will quickly and quietly stop being enforced but for rare occasions.

Just as an example of the many issues it will bring, what happens if a striker is obstructing the keeper for most of those 8 seconds? The length of time keepers take with goal kicks is a far bigger issue than how long they hold on to the ball.
 
Stephen230 said:
That’s precisely the reason they’ve instructed referees to give a visual countdown.

You’ll get people with stopwatches claiming that a ref in one instance didn’t start the five second countdown for 4 seconds instead of 3 and stuff like that. But it’s going to be pretty difficult to just ignore as a referee, once it’s written in law that they must do it.
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...but how many of these written laws are already simply ignored? As you've said earlier in this thread, refs chose not to implement some of these written laws as enforcing them was difficult for them (poor lambs) possibly because they believed the punishment didn't mirror the crime, like they've somehow morphed themselves (self important? egotistical? arrogance? pick one) into rule makers AND rule enforcers.

Due to these facts that you've stated previously, it renders this post above simply nonsense and meaningless.

It'll be like the crowd counting out steps for a wall in the 70s and 80s, with the whole crowd shouting 5-4-3-2-1-BOOOOOO!

Like I said earlier, PiGMoL are a pseudo professional bunch of fucking chancers, if they were serious about ridding the game of timewasting why haven't Arsenal been hammered all season for their bullshit tactics? After all, it's already written down in the laws (which you seem to believe is the vital ingredient to enforcement and abidement) so why has it been ignored?

New laws weren't needed, enforcing the old ones and having a bit of a backbone was all that was needed.
 
Stephen230 said:
I doubt he said that, as it’s total bollocks. There’s no requirement for players to clear the box, or anywhere else on the field, whilst the ball is in play.
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It was definitely how the FA wanted it implemented. Would you therefore give an indirect free kick, under the current rules, because the keeper exceeds 6 seconds as an opposition player is stopping him releasing the ball
 
richardtheref said:
It was definitely how the FA wanted it implemented. Would you therefore give an indirect free kick, under the current rules, because the keeper exceeds 6 seconds as an opposition player is stopping him releasing the ball
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What sort of era are we talking about when this directive was given?

Usually when they announce an initiative to clamp down on a certain law, you at least notice it for the first few weeks.

I can’t recall seeing a free kick being given for this for decades.
 
Issue with this is it will never be applied fairly.

You watch a ref giving a corner bang on the time against certain teams and players whilst seemingly forgetting the same rule when it suits.

It’s yet another of those rules that will drive fans fucking crazy.
 
Just another stupid rule which would be unnecessary if the existing rules were applied properly. And I don't like the countdown clock either. Once that is implemented they will inevitably use it more. Slippery slope.
 
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