Yeah, you'll have to give me more than that before I'm suitably embarrassed about my post.
Thats very interesting and something i think everyone should read, certainly made me think. Thanks for posting
The thing I can't quite get my head around is how the two towers fell in almost identicle fashion and only 30 minutes apart
Just checked the south tower only took 53 minutes from plane hitting to collapsing, north tower took 1hr 42 mins. The north tower was hit first.
Just checked the south tower only took 53 minutes from plane hitting to collapsing, north tower took 1hr 42 mins. The north tower was hit first.
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Struggling to understand this, is it bugging you that they didn't take a similar amount of time to fall?
I agree with this BUT it doesn't answer the question as to what happened to the missing $2.3T
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Fwiw I spoke to an interior designer/architect the day after 9/11 who told me that the collapse of both towers is what he would have expected, given the particular structure of the buildings and the melting point of steel, in conjunction with gravity, obviously.
At the time he was starting out as a interior designer in Nottingham and I saw him a few weeks ago for the first time in years and he's just secured a brief to design a restaurant in the new WTC, which blew me a way a little, both in terms of the realisation of time that's passed since 2001 and how far he's travelled, career wise, in that time.
At the time he was starting out as a interior designer in Nottingham and I saw him a few weeks ago for the first time in years and he's just secured a brief to design a restaurant in the new WTC, which blew me a way a little, both in terms of the realisation of time that's passed since 2001 and how far he's travelled, career wise, in that time.
He didn't say the money was not missing, he was they couldn't track it. He meant the money was not being properly tracked up to proper accounting standards.
I think theres more than enough to say 9/11 was dodgy in some way, but this wasnt one of those things.
I get why there saying they collapsed as in the weight of the floors above made it collapse, but there are lots of variables as in where they hit the tower, what floor. Just seems strange to me how quickly they fell.
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All he is qualified to do is comment on the structure of a futon and cushions!!!
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What's the normal amount of time in these situations then?
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Where did all the people go?
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This was before networking, disaster recovery, cloud and digitalisation as well, the proper form might have been followed yet a lot of the info necessary for tracking the money might have been on site and impossible to recover. It's hard enough to paint a complete picture these days when major companies have secure off site digital storage if the main site of operations is destroyed in any matter, with the scale of what happened in the WTC and the tech in use it's impossible.
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That my friend is pure shite, no steel structured building EVER has fully collapsed due to a fire, nor is it "Expected" in any other circumstance short of a controlled demolition.
This was typical of the main stream media seeming to address the many inconsistencies but parading a few barmpots to discredit the argument, try watching "Incontrovertible -by Tony Rookel" on you-tube, this features a range of professionals who know what the f*ck they are talking about by virtue of their job, experience, and just plain old physics, with not a foil hat wearer in sight.
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This guy makes a pretty compelling argument, but with that said I just find it hard to believe 9/11 would be an inside job.
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As I see it...and as a senior structural Engineer I watched it live with called it...these were dual core buildings, concrete inner steel outer. Steel beams braced against the inner concrete core, and which supported precast slabs. The impact and heat caused the angle supports to the slabs to fail, they collapsed vertically on to each other, finally stacked up and the sheer weight brought the rest down from within. The 2nd tower hit was the first one to collapse as the plane near enough took a corner out at a lower level, more weight above.
The second to collapse was finally brought down because the first one went, they stood or fell together.
Both survived +30mins fire, which was probably what they were designed to do...nowadays buildings of that nature would be designed for +90mins.
The underground station concourse common to both, I believe survived, probably due to it being designed to carry the weight above x 2.
No explanation why WTC7 went down with the ship.
The second to collapse was finally brought down because the first one went, they stood or fell together.
Both survived +30mins fire, which was probably what they were designed to do...nowadays buildings of that nature would be designed for +90mins.
The underground station concourse common to both, I believe survived, probably due to it being designed to carry the weight above x 2.
No explanation why WTC7 went down with the ship.
But what's the time scale of the missing 2.3 trillion? Their annual budget is $15B, which is huge in itself, but to not be able to account for $2.3 trillion... I just don't buy it's an accounting thing.
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2.3tn in transactions, not in budget, when they had a full forensic audit and reintegration to a modern SAP they reduced that to $900bn. That's over the history of it's existence, which isn't really surprising when you think about it, they wouldn't publish or record some transactions for security reasons.
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A similar percentage believe the earth is 6,000 years old and Adam and Eve were real.
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Very good, however as you should also know under those circumstances there would not (Or indeed could not) be a free fall collapse, leaving aside the temperature needed to weaken the steel would not have been generated by a fuel or office furniture fire, any collapse due to failure of the steel structure would have been concentrated to the area heated up and therefore uneven, so to drop in its own footprint is impossible, to do so three times goes beyond any odds you can work out.
The nonsense that the weight of the slabs collapsing is even more far fetched, again not only would free fall be impossible, but there is no increase in load bearing below the fire, even allowing for momentum generating a force equal to a tripling of that weight it is still well below the structural strength of the steel in compression.
The nonsense that the weight of the slabs collapsing is even more far fetched, again not only would free fall be impossible, but there is no increase in load bearing below the fire, even allowing for momentum generating a force equal to a tripling of that weight it is still well below the structural strength of the steel in compression.