9/11 - More evidence it was set up by people in the shadows

[Lucky Toma]

Go back to your TV screens people, the Government is looking after you...

Go back to watching X Factor and You've Been Framed... the Government is looking after you...

I keep an open mind and believe in theories too Soulboy.

For example I believe that every single girlfriend-less, smug internet geek who ever existed just channelled themselves through you to write the post above.

I truly hope you're not a grown man because I just genuinely cringed at your sub-sixth-form, simplistic, condescending, ridiculous comment. I mean genuinely, physically cringed in pure embarrassment. On your behalf.
In fact its not much of an exaggeration to state that I shuddered.

 

[Matty]

No, we haven't "simply seen and heard what you were told", we all watched the TV footage LIVE, we saw the second plane fly into the tower. This wasn't Independence Day, or War of the Worlds, there wasn't some bloke with a computer creating digital images for us all to see, this actually happened.

Ok, so whether Mohammed Atta was involved or not we can't say, as we're not the CIA or the FBI, but what's clear to all is that terrorists were involved, they took the planes, they flew the planes, and they crashed the planes. Anyone who says otherwise has had their common sense, and their intelligence, surgically removed.

And as for "independant analysts", well I've yet to find one, anyone talking about 9/11 has an agenda, whether it be to pedal their latest book or continue the conspiracy propaganda.

Yes, Governments lie, we all know this, but the scale of the lie, the people involved, for something like 9/11 is just so vast as to be completely unfeasible.

i agree , however where i find it most difficult and makes me uncomfortable is that i dont think the attack was prevented, i believe it was allowed to happen, not enough was done to stop it , things like planes sent the wrong way, intelligence ignored, it all stinks of an excuse to let it happen so we can go to war, banks lend more, the war machine grows , oil gets more expensive.more profits.the rich getting richer and the governments getting stronger !!

I'm not convinced they "let it happen", I'd be more inclined to believe they didn't really believe the extent of what was planned, 4 planes hijacked simultaneously and aimed at the twin towers, the Pentagon and (apparently) the White House, the scale was unheard of. I wouldn't be susprised to hear the CIA had some information about it but, along with hundreds of other threat "rumours" didn't see this one as worthy of further attention. A horrendous error, criminally neglectful, but not a conspiracy or intentional.

 

[Soulboy]

The reason why you should keep an open mind is summed up in your post... you state that it was clear and we could all see with our own eyes what happened.

Well that's not true, is it.

You weren't there, you have simply seen and heard what you were told. It's probably true, but don't put it past governments to lie and make up stories to go to war.

WMD anyone?

You have absolutely no idea who hijacked what or who did what... other than what you have been told. And now people are telling you different things... so unless you always believe the government and never believe independent analysts, then I suppose you can go on with your position.

Me? I never trust anyone... including the independent analysts!

No, we haven't "simply seen and heard what you were told", we all watched the TV footage LIVE, we saw the second plane fly into the tower. This wasn't Independence Day, or War of the Worlds, there wasn't some bloke with a computer creating digital images for us all to see, this actually happened.

Ok, so whether Mohammed Atta was involved or not we can't say, as we're not the CIA or the FBI, but what's clear to all is that terrorists were involved, they took the planes, they flew the planes, and they crashed the planes. Anyone who says otherwise has had their common sense, and their intelligence, surgically removed.

And as for "independant analysts", well I've yet to find one, anyone talking about 9/11 has an agenda, whether it be to pedal their latest book or continue the conspiracy propaganda.

Yes, Governments lie, we all know this, but the scale of the lie, the people involved, for something like 9/11 is just so vast as to be completely unfeasible.

I'm sure what we all thought happened that day did happen the way we were told it had happened.

However... how do you know that you watched it live? Who is the source of the photos, videos and sound that has brought you to this conclusion?

Neverbe certain that what you thought you saw is what actually happened.

No, I'm not one of the conspiracy theorists, because like you I believe they too have an agenda. It's just too big a conspiracy to be real, but read up your history and there's hundreds of smaller level examples of subterfuge.

Remember that photo a couple of years ago with that shark attacking a helicopter. we allthought it was genuine. It wasn't.

 

[Anonymous]

Remember that photo a couple of years ago with that shark attacking a helicopter. we allthought it was genuine. It wasn't.

Er, no we didn't!

 

[buzzer1]

Now without wishing to sound like a nutter, you really do have to have an open mind about most things.

And there are many unanswered questions about 9/11, even though my thought process finds it difficult to accept the theories put forward.

But... we only know what we are told. And who tells us?

How do you KNOW what happened at 9/11... other than the media told you.

Always question everything. I do it with City so why not with everything else!

I would hate to have a closed mind like yourself. That way lies totalitarianism.

Fair point about having an open mind, and I do with most things. This though, the media didn't have to report on much as we could all see with our own eyes what was happening, and that was a group of terrorists hijacking planes and using them as missiles in an attack on the most famous landmark the USA had to offer. Mohammed Atta was proven to have taken his flying lessons at a school in Florida I think it was, and he was the one who hijacked the first plane. I can't really see why an open mind needs to be used on this particular event.

Mate, so you could actualy tell that the Planes had been hijacked just by seeing them hit the towers? Even 'Boy Backward' Bush thought "wow, thats one bad Pilot" after seeing the first Plane go inon T.V. footage,Doh! funny that BB, nobody had footage of the 1st plane going in?
Secondly, the said Atta was a terrible pilot and his training guy said, "he had trouble flying a tiny Cessna so god knows how he managed to supposedly do what he did, with very basic training behind him".

Now then, take my Scenario;News Bullshitter person on TV says. Wow, as you can see at the bottom of your screens and on the footage that is now being shown, planes have gone into the Twin Towers and loss of life is immense, it is believed that disgruntled former employees had tampered with the computer on board and guided the planes into the towers, it is believed that the ex- employees were anti-govt. and were originally from Iran/Paletsinian/Iraq/Cuba or wherever is next on the Agendas agenda.

Step up the Patriot act and strangulation of free speech and a criminal offence for ANY anti-govt. rhetoric that ANYBODY dare speak, more surveillance needed me thinks andoh yeah, while we are at it, lets Kill all Iranians or even better, Nuke em'.

Someone mentioned before about all the conspiracies just being made up stories that Nutjobs believe are true? Well lets say that the Official(bullshit) story was made up and all the people that believe it are nutjobs? As soulboy said, just chillout, we are being looked after, just bang the television on and wooohhhoooo, EX_FACTOR.

PS, or you could always fuk the brainwashing false TV off, and try something like this.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZLRDmLTGYg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZLRDmLTGYg</a>

OR


<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZltPAauhNdg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZltPAauhNdg</a>

 

[Damocles]

I suppose Bin Laden was paid to lie and say it was him then.

He has never said this. Just a good example of misinformation being spread.

 

[buzzer1]

Go back to your TV screens people, the Government is looking after you...

Go back to watching X Factor and You've Been Framed... the Government is looking after you...

I keep an open mind and believe in theories too Soulboy.

For example I believe that every single girlfriend-less, smug internet geek who ever existed just channelled themselves through you to write the post above.

I truly hope you're not a grown man because I just genuinely cringed at your sub-sixth-form, simplistic, condescending, ridiculous comment. I mean genuinely, physically cringed in pure embarrassment. On your behalf.
In fact its not much of an exaggeration to state that I shuddered.[/quote]

Why Toma?

-- Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:42 pm --

The reason why you should keep an open mind is summed up in your post... you state that it was clear and we could all see with our own eyes what happened.

Well that's not true, is it.

You weren't there, you have simply seen and heard what you were told. It's probably true, but don't put it past governments to lie and make up stories to go to war.

WMD anyone?

You have absolutely no idea who hijacked what or who did what... other than what you have been told. And now people are telling you different things... so unless you always believe the government and never believe independent analysts, then I suppose you can go on with your position.

Me? I never trust anyone... including the independent analysts!

No, we haven't "simply seen and heard what you were told", we all watched the TV footage LIVE, we saw the second plane fly into the tower. This wasn't Independence Day, or War of the Worlds, there wasn't some bloke with a computer creating digital images for us all to see, this actually happened.

Ok, so whether Mohammed Atta was involved or not we can't say, as we're not the CIA or the FBI, but what's clear to all is that terrorists were involved, they took the planes, they flew the planes, and they crashed the planes. Anyone who says otherwise has had their common sense, and their intelligence, surgically removed.

And as for "independant analysts", well I've yet to find one, anyone talking about 9/11 has an agenda, whether it be to pedal their latest book or continue the conspiracy propaganda.

Yes, Governments lie, we all know this, but the scale of the lie, the people involved, for something like 9/11 is just so vast as to be completely unfeasible.

-- Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:46 pm --

I keep an open mind and believe in theories too Soulboy.

For example I believe that every single girlfriend-less, smug internet geek who ever existed just channelled themselves through you to write the post above.

I truly hope you're not a grown man because I just genuinely cringed at your sub-sixth-form, simplistic, condescending, ridiculous comment. I mean genuinely, physically cringed in pure embarrassment. On your behalf.
In fact its not much of an exaggeration to state that I shuddered.[/quote]

Why Toma?

-- Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:42 pm --

No, we haven't "simply seen and heard what you were told", we all watched the TV footage LIVE, we saw the second plane fly into the tower. This wasn't Independence Day, or War of the Worlds, there wasn't some bloke with a computer creating digital images for us all to see, this actually happened.

Ok, so whether Mohammed Atta was involved or not we can't say, as we're not the CIA or the FBI, but what's clear to all is that terrorists were involved, they took the planes, they flew the planes, and they crashed the planes. Anyone who says otherwise has had their common sense, and their intelligence, surgically removed.

And as for "independant analysts", well I've yet to find one, anyone talking about 9/11 has an agenda, whether it be to pedal their latest book or continue the conspiracy propaganda.

Yes, Governments lie, we all know this, but the scale of the lie, the people involved, for something like 9/11 is just so vast as to be completely unfeasible.

Right, dead simple, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? is it through the Media or do you have first hand knowledge of this? Please, just one answer;
Media? or Knowledge?


Also, if the Govt. can pick up on two blokes living in an upstairs flat in Dewsbury were plotting terrorist attacks, then howcome one of the biggest and most effective secret service teams on the [planet could not detect a least 19(there would of had to have been more involved to pull something off like this) terrorists plotting the biggest attack on American soil ever?

No chance my mate, no chance.

 

[Why Always Ste]

The video does show evidence to suggest that the major media providers were providing digitally edited footage and is this evidence %100 proof?
No, but is the Media's evidence to suggest that planes hit the buildings? No!

Why not?

Because as pointed out images can be edited, I can setup CCTV footage outside my house right now, have someone (or myself) smash my window, then edit this footage so the video looks like my next door neighbour.

Show this video to you and some people may disbelieve this footage, but if I had a very reputable media company onboard showcase this footage it makes my video look genuine and believeable.

Fact: CCTV does not discourage crime, nor has it reduced crime in countries such as England which has vast CCTV networks.

Why hasn't it reduced crime?

Because most convictions in this country are NOT! at the result of CCTV footage.

Why Not?

Because camera footage is not classed as %100 proof in a court of law. images can be easily manipulated, and thus it is not %100 proof.

The footage provided by the media is not DNA.

What I felt on that day and still feel to this day: what I saw was controlled explosions which brought down the WTC.

Did planes fly into it? ok they did, did missiles? ok they did... Superman flew into the WTC for all i care, but what I saw and believe is controlled explosions and also a missile like object which hit the second tower.

The USA gained alot from this.... Hey 19 terrorists all from Saudi Arabia or UAE blow us up, lets go and blow up Iraq? lol.... typical bully tactic... They couldn't mess with the hard kid in the playground school as he has the defense budget and knows how to fight, they picked on the defenseless (but made sure everyone believed Iraq actually was planning to go on the offense) so we wouldn't feel sorry for the kid being bullied.

Imagine if 19 English lads all from London flew a plane into the empire state building, then The USA declared war on terrorism, and started bombing the fuck out of Scotland because of apparent WMD's?

Then after Scotland they moved on into Ireland, still yet to do anything with England (even though all 19 terrorists were from London)

Well this has whats happened....

I'll get back into my strayjacket? now and take my medication ;)

 

[MCFCinUSA]

Some people are so messed up in the head that they simply have to find conspiracy in everything.

quite true.

they're often also the ones who are shooting up malls, high-schools, and taking people hostages before killing themselves; ie. they're the ones suffering from a lack of common sense, intelligence and ability to think rationally, and much more serious aspects related to their socialisation and ill-at-ease position within society. Fortunately there aren't that many who really tip over the top, but we still have people going off like this pretty frequently, sadly.

and then there's this:-

Dunning-Kruger Effect:

<a class="postlink" href="http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/11/the-dunning-kruger-effect/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/11/ ... er-effect/</a>

anyone who espouses conspiracy theories for 9/11 is severely suffering from not knowing very much about how gov'ts really run and who makes them up (INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE) and what it takes (to take one insane idea) to commandeer a military aircraft and disguise it as a civilian one, and then to fly it into a public building in NYC (it would never happen for so many obvious reasons) only to dismiss the most likely and reasoned explanation for an entirely impossible one, and to defend such ridiculous ideas to the hilt and accuse others of being insane and, you have to laugh, 'close-minded'.

give me a break.

so much shit has been argued on this forum about these idiotic conspiracies - by which I'm not including things like JFK (a very real and likely conspiracy) but the 9/11 and moon landing stuff, it's absolute bollocks of the highest order.

it's like you're talking to a five-year-old when you see some of the things people are posting.

this is what is so frightening, and polls that show young people doubting the Apollo 11 mission really took place, LOL.

I'd have a really hard time hiring or working with someone who publicly espoused such ludicrous theories (after you'd quietly and gently talked things through with them) - it would lead me to question their mental capabilities, and capacity to rationally think things through and figure out and LEARN from their experiences and those of others who are a little more competent and experienced than they are.

we all start off at nothing, but if we can't learn things from others (and I don't mean other inexperienced idiots) then we stay ignorant. Much of this conspiracy rubbish is just pure ignorance, and reflects terribly on all concerned.

wise-up folks, and just give things some quiet thought - next time you have a brain fart and believe there's a huge gov't conspiracy at work...

if some jackarse ever came to you and explained a plan to blow-up the Twin Towers do you think you'd get involved in any way (?) or do you think you'd immediately report it to the appropriate security/intelligence forces, or your boss, or your his or her boss?

would you risk your entire career (assuming you're capable of holding one down within the military or intelligence services) to participate in a clearly illegal and insane plot where you personally stand to gain nothing but lose everything?

Really, have a think about all these loony ideas and how they'd have to work in practice... maybe you'll rapidly come to the conclusion that at the end of the day some foreign-based and trained hijackers with box cutters got on board civilian aircraft and over-powered the pilots, flying them into the World Trade Center and the evidence was there for all to see....

(and so what that a passport is blown-out, or this burned or that didn't - it could happen, unlike these totally preposterous and imbecilic grand scheme versions of events that simpletons come up with that are so fanciful it's beyond the bounds of rationality and reason to account for little but surprising things that might have happened)

 

[HelloCity]

Some people are so messed up in the head that they simply have to find conspiracy in everything.

quite true.

they're often also the ones who are shooting up malls, high-schools, and taking people hostages before killing themselves; ie. they're the ones suffering from a lack of common sense, intelligence and ability to think rationally, and much more serious aspects related to their socialisation and ill-at-ease position within society. Fortunately there aren't that many who really tip over the top, but we still have people going off like this pretty frequently, sadly.

and then there's this:-

Dunning-Kruger Effect:

<a class="postlink" href="http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/11/the-dunning-kruger-effect/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/11/ ... er-effect/</a>

anyone who espouses conspiracy theories for 9/11 is severely suffering from not knowing very much about how gov'ts really run and who makes them up (INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE) and what it takes (to take one insane idea) to commandeer a military aircraft and disguise it as a civilian one, and then to fly it into a public building in NYC (it would never happen for so many obvious reasons) only to dismiss the most likely and reasoned explanation for an entirely impossible one, and to defend such ridiculous ideas to the hilt and accuse others of being insane and, you have to laugh, 'close-minded'.

give me a break.

so much shit has been argued on this forum about these idiotic conspiracies - by which I'm not including things like JFK (a very real and likely conspiracy) but the 9/11 and moon landing stuff, it's absolute bollocks of the highest order.

it's like you're talking to a five-year-old when you see some of the things people are posting.

this is what is so frightening, and polls that show young people doubting the Apollo 11 mission really took place, LOL.

I'd have a really hard time hiring or working with someone who publicly espoused such ludicrous theories (after you'd quietly and gently talked things through with them) - it would lead me to question their mental capabilities, and capacity to rationally think things through and figure out and LEARN from their experiences and those of others who are a little more competent and experienced than they are.

we all start off at nothing, but if we can't learn things from others (and I don't mean other inexperienced idiots) then we stay ignorant. Much of this conspiracy rubbish is just pure ignorance, and reflects terribly on all concerned.

wise-up folks, and just give things some quiet thought - next time you have a brain fart and believe there's a huge gov't conspiracy at work...

if some jackarse ever came to you and explained a plan to blow-up the Twin Towers do you think you'd get involved in any way (?) or do you think you'd immediately report it to the appropriate security/intelligence forces, or your boss, or your his or her boss?

would you risk your entire career (assuming you're capable of holding one down within the military or intelligence services) to participate in a clearly illegal and insane plot where you personally stand to gain nothing but lose everything?

Really, have a think about all these loony ideas and how they'd have to work in practice... maybe you'll rapidly come to the conclusion that at the end of the day some foreign-based and trained hijackers with box cutters got on board civilian aircraft and over-powered the pilots, flying them into the World Trade Center and the evidence was there for all to see....

(and so what that a passport is blown-out, or this burned or that didn't - it could happen, unlike these totally preposterous and imbecilic grand scheme versions of events that simpletons come up with that are so fanciful it's beyond the bounds of rationality and reason to account for little but surprising things that might have happened)

I bet you're well into the afgan and iraq wars aren't you? Pop corn at the ready when the news comes on showing the fighting and all that.