sweynforkbeard
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buzzer1 said:
For all we know they may be confined in some hidden underground facility being forced to produce Tesco Finest Apricot Conserve.
9/11
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For all we know they may be confined in some hidden underground facility being forced to produce Tesco Finest Apricot Conserve.
BermudaBlue said:
If you are talking about the deceased families coming forward then they would'nt know any different, the 9/11 passengers are dead to them, thats it. If you are referring to various govt. twats then it would have been only a need to know basis i reckon, and which buffoon is gonna come out and shout cover up? if it meant your family being taken down, would you?
buzzer1 said:
What about all the phone calls from the planes? All those conversations with distraught loved ones on the plane after they were hijacked before they were murdered? Some of these have been broadcast and members of families have attested to others. Difficult to have made those up mate.
sweynforkbeard said:
Jammy bastards.<br /><br />-- Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:07 pm --<br /><br />
Balti said:
Mate, nobody is saying that calls were'nt made, but by whom? as i said on a previous page, say my name is tom smith yeah, now if i rang up my mum, wether in trouble or not, i would not say "hello mum, its Tom Smith here", no, i would say hiya mum, its me. This is actually what went on mate, it was a staged exercise imo. Who knows?
Listen to Sven.
<a class="postlink" href="http://bushstole04.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://bushstole04.com/</a>
or maybe the switched plane routine?
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.wanttoknow.info/operationnorthwoods" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.wanttoknow.info/operationnorthwoods</a>
der bomber28
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buzzer1 said:
I found this an interesting watch mate.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JmXQ-z8S4&feature=related[/youtube]
Skepticism is the purest form of freedom that any human may exhibit. Those who say that something "did not" happen, or "can not" happen without examining the claims are no longer using their greatest survival instinct.
Like all subjects, from UFOs, to ghosts, to mediumship, there is a very simple answer; show me the evidence. We must be brave enough to examine the evidence without a position of subjectivity, putting no theory of events above any other, until we form adequate conclusions based upon the available evidence. We are explorers, of history, of society, of humanity itself which is a position that we mustn't take lightly. We must examine our conclusions and our evidence for bias, either from witness testimonies, logical fallacies and other barriers to knowledge. Finally, we must rigorously debate our evidence with other explorers and have the courage to see our mistakes as others do.
Only then do we find truth.
Those who do not search for truth in every part of their lives are happy to live within a world that they do not understand and do not wish to be informed about. I can think of no greater loss than this disconnection from the world around them.
Like all subjects, from UFOs, to ghosts, to mediumship, there is a very simple answer; show me the evidence. We must be brave enough to examine the evidence without a position of subjectivity, putting no theory of events above any other, until we form adequate conclusions based upon the available evidence. We are explorers, of history, of society, of humanity itself which is a position that we mustn't take lightly. We must examine our conclusions and our evidence for bias, either from witness testimonies, logical fallacies and other barriers to knowledge. Finally, we must rigorously debate our evidence with other explorers and have the courage to see our mistakes as others do.
Only then do we find truth.
Those who do not search for truth in every part of their lives are happy to live within a world that they do not understand and do not wish to be informed about. I can think of no greater loss than this disconnection from the world around them.
Damocles said:
Yes mate, fair enough, but if you perceive the truth to be what we are told as the pinnacle of truth, then on the contrary i would say that is the biggest form of ignorance tp mankind as we cannot examine the evidence if the evidence is witheld.<br /><br />-- Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:46 am --<br /><br />
der bomber28 said:
Cheers mate, i've favourited it to watch when i get home from work later on, cheers DB.
Challenger1978
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davymcfc said:
We would get turned over the US military machine is just far to big for us to handle.
Wikipedia: conspiracy theory guide
1. Initiated on the basis of limited, partial or circumstantial evidence;
Conceived in reaction to media reports and images, as opposed to, for example, thorough knowledge of the relevant forensic evidence.
2. Addresses an event or process that has broad historical or emotional impact;
Seeks to interpret a phenomenon which has near-universal interest and emotional significance, a story that may thus be of some compelling interest to a wide audience.
3. Reduces morally complex social phenomena to simple, immoral actions;
Impersonal, institutional processes, especially errors and oversights, interpreted as malign, consciously intended and designed by immoral individuals.
4. Personifies complex social phenomena as powerful individual conspirators;
Related to (3) but distinct from it, deduces the existence of powerful individual conspirators from the 'impossibility' that a chain of events lacked direction by a person.
5. Allots superhuman talents or resources to conspirators;
May require conspirators to possess unique discipline, unrepentant resolve, advanced or unknown technology, uncommon psychological insight, historical foresight, unlimited resources, etc.
6. Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning;
Inductive steps are mistaken to bear as much confidence as deductive ones.
Appeals to 'common sense';
Common sense steps substitute for the more robust, academically respectable methodologies available for investigating sociological and scientific phenomena.
7. Exhibits well-established logical and methodological fallacies;
Formal and informal logical fallacies are readily identifiable among the key steps of the argument.
8. Is produced and circulated by 'outsiders', often anonymous, and generally lacking peer review;
Story originates with a person who lacks any insider contact or knowledge, and enjoys popularity among persons who lack critical (especially technical) knowledge.
9. Is upheld by persons with demonstrably false conceptions of relevant science;
At least some of the story's believers believe it on the basis of a mistaken grasp of elementary scientific facts.
10. Enjoys zero credibility in expert communities;
Academics and professionals tend to ignore the story, treating it as too frivolous to invest their time and risk their personal authority in disproving.
11. Rebuttals provided by experts are ignored or accommodated through elaborate new twists in the narrative;
When experts do respond to the story with critical new evidence, the conspiracy is elaborated (sometimes to a spectacular degree) to discount the new evidence, often incorporating the rebuttal as a part of the conspiracy.'
12. Michael Meacher!!!!!!!!!
1. Initiated on the basis of limited, partial or circumstantial evidence;
Conceived in reaction to media reports and images, as opposed to, for example, thorough knowledge of the relevant forensic evidence.
2. Addresses an event or process that has broad historical or emotional impact;
Seeks to interpret a phenomenon which has near-universal interest and emotional significance, a story that may thus be of some compelling interest to a wide audience.
3. Reduces morally complex social phenomena to simple, immoral actions;
Impersonal, institutional processes, especially errors and oversights, interpreted as malign, consciously intended and designed by immoral individuals.
4. Personifies complex social phenomena as powerful individual conspirators;
Related to (3) but distinct from it, deduces the existence of powerful individual conspirators from the 'impossibility' that a chain of events lacked direction by a person.
5. Allots superhuman talents or resources to conspirators;
May require conspirators to possess unique discipline, unrepentant resolve, advanced or unknown technology, uncommon psychological insight, historical foresight, unlimited resources, etc.
6. Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning;
Inductive steps are mistaken to bear as much confidence as deductive ones.
Appeals to 'common sense';
Common sense steps substitute for the more robust, academically respectable methodologies available for investigating sociological and scientific phenomena.
7. Exhibits well-established logical and methodological fallacies;
Formal and informal logical fallacies are readily identifiable among the key steps of the argument.
8. Is produced and circulated by 'outsiders', often anonymous, and generally lacking peer review;
Story originates with a person who lacks any insider contact or knowledge, and enjoys popularity among persons who lack critical (especially technical) knowledge.
9. Is upheld by persons with demonstrably false conceptions of relevant science;
At least some of the story's believers believe it on the basis of a mistaken grasp of elementary scientific facts.
10. Enjoys zero credibility in expert communities;
Academics and professionals tend to ignore the story, treating it as too frivolous to invest their time and risk their personal authority in disproving.
11. Rebuttals provided by experts are ignored or accommodated through elaborate new twists in the narrative;
When experts do respond to the story with critical new evidence, the conspiracy is elaborated (sometimes to a spectacular degree) to discount the new evidence, often incorporating the rebuttal as a part of the conspiracy.'
12. Michael Meacher!!!!!!!!!
Bułgarska St
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LOOSE CHANGE FINAL CUT:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598#
imo 9/11 was an inside job!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598#
imo 9/11 was an inside job!
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Anonymous
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Bułgarska St said:
Can't be arsed watching that but if it really is 'Loose Change' then every single shred of 'evidence' in that pile of shit has been completely debunked.
oneyeartillheaven
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1_barry_conlon
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Well if you go funding NORAID for 30+ years, theses things come back and bite you on the arse!
Not saying two wrongs make a right but you get the drift.
Not saying two wrongs make a right but you get the drift.
goatboy
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first off i'd like to to say i completely agree with many of the theories surrounding the cover up and execution of of 9/11 by various government and intelligence agency operatives. but for a minute think about this situation rationally and objectively and do not take into account the media stories (which were very quickly and nicely presented to the western world in no time at all)
it's an argument i used in conjuction with 7/7 but is relevent here too
imagine yourself as a muslim person in any middle eastern country
" i am annoyed at the ignorance and arrogance of western governments and their contempt for my nation, religion and the religion of my brothers. i am annoyed at their constant political and business interference in regards to our resources and coups led against us or anyone who is not an ally of the west. i am annoyed at the violence and disregard shown against my brothers from the days of the british empire through every other nation that has shown colonial and empirical interest in our nations"
"it is time we struck back at the people responsible for our supression and misfortune, it is time we showed the leaders of the western world that they can not get away with this anymore"
"rather than attempting to strike at those directly responsible for our pain we shall take our revenge by flying a plane into a financial building and killing a bunch of innocent civilians, that will show the governments we mean business"
does that scenario make any sense to anyone? i'f i'm pissed at someone i go for them not the local shopkeeper or banker.
during times of attack the nation ALWAYS rallies behind its leaders so as soon as the attack happened so they would be depleting their argument straight away and acheiving absolutely nothing other than scaring the public and giving more support, authority and funding to the people they hate.
anyone remember the g8 summit when we were going to "make poverty history" and we were going to save africa and all that, then the bombs went off and that story disappeared from the news completely. the brits rallied round tony blair and as a result he and the rest of the sdministration gained more support, control, authority and funding. so if muslim terrorists were responsible for the 9/11 7/7 attacks then they would have done nothing but damage their own agenda and strengthen their enemies. as a country we have suffered the blitz and the ira in recent history and it made us stronger and unified. the official stories make no sense to me purely from a logic viewpoint, nevermind conspiracies
it's an argument i used in conjuction with 7/7 but is relevent here too
imagine yourself as a muslim person in any middle eastern country
" i am annoyed at the ignorance and arrogance of western governments and their contempt for my nation, religion and the religion of my brothers. i am annoyed at their constant political and business interference in regards to our resources and coups led against us or anyone who is not an ally of the west. i am annoyed at the violence and disregard shown against my brothers from the days of the british empire through every other nation that has shown colonial and empirical interest in our nations"
"it is time we struck back at the people responsible for our supression and misfortune, it is time we showed the leaders of the western world that they can not get away with this anymore"
"rather than attempting to strike at those directly responsible for our pain we shall take our revenge by flying a plane into a financial building and killing a bunch of innocent civilians, that will show the governments we mean business"
does that scenario make any sense to anyone? i'f i'm pissed at someone i go for them not the local shopkeeper or banker.
during times of attack the nation ALWAYS rallies behind its leaders so as soon as the attack happened so they would be depleting their argument straight away and acheiving absolutely nothing other than scaring the public and giving more support, authority and funding to the people they hate.
anyone remember the g8 summit when we were going to "make poverty history" and we were going to save africa and all that, then the bombs went off and that story disappeared from the news completely. the brits rallied round tony blair and as a result he and the rest of the sdministration gained more support, control, authority and funding. so if muslim terrorists were responsible for the 9/11 7/7 attacks then they would have done nothing but damage their own agenda and strengthen their enemies. as a country we have suffered the blitz and the ira in recent history and it made us stronger and unified. the official stories make no sense to me purely from a logic viewpoint, nevermind conspiracies