9/11

[Challenger1978]

For a thousand years, we have systematically raped their countries for all natural resources, overthrown their democratically elected governments, bombed the shit out of their towns and cities and politically and economically fucked them over.

Its sure as hell sounds like it with that post Damocles.

 

[Damocles]

What?

Does that say that it was all one sided? Are you reading just alternative letters or something, or some sort of cryptic key?

The Nazi's systemically fucked France, but that doesn't mean that they weren't bothering to fight either.

 

[Bilston Blue]

Are we gonna be subjected to a disney-esque mournfest over this every fuckin year?
I have no problem with families mourning their dead relatives but must the whole world be forced to show their 'sympathy' as well?
It was 9 years ago and thousands of people have died since due to terrorism and natural disaster.
Everyone who persihed that day seems to be a 'hero' or 'the best dad/husband/wife/fireman in the world'

Without googling, can anyone remember the date of the Omagh atrocity?[/quote]

Without googling? I would say approximately middle of August 1998. Almost certain it was a Saturday afternoon. I was working in Our Price, Wolverhampton, with a lad from Northern Ireland (can't remember where from, though I should), and he was absolutely mortified.

 

[bluemanc]

You aren't being forced to do anything of the sort,just ignore it.
I will respect the anniversary because i want to, you blank it out because you want to,it's easy.
I do understand what your saying about the terrorism, for example the Manchester bomb & 7/7 & natural disasters, but this was the first time the world saw the face terrorism in real time & it was the first time we saw how extreme these fuckers could be.but for the grace of God it could have been us.
If 9/11 & 7/7 was meant to crush the will of America & Britains in fighting terror it was a grave error on the Terrorists part because in murdering every colour creed & religion including many Muslims in 9/11 they showed the world the sick crusade they are on does not have an aim other than death to whom they will it on.

In my opinion, we (UK) and the Yanks have been far more extreme in the terror stakes, it's just that it is not written about. 9/11 was a gift because it meant that the US/UK alliance could do whatever it liked with impunity.
By remembering it every year in such a high profile fashion we are laying the ground for the next bit of violence, this time against those other pesky Muslims in Iran.

The name of Irans new bomber "The Ambassador Of Death"gives the game away a tad about what Iran has planned for the future.
With Russian scientists involved in the Nuclear Power Plant construction i wouldn't be so cocky if i was them.

 

[Damocles]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoes ... index.html</a>

-- Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:17 pm --

The name of Irans new bomber "The Ambassador Of Death"gives the game away a tad about what Iran has planned for the future.
With Russian scientists involved in the Nuclear Power Plant construction i wouldn't be so cocky if i was them.

You mean that robot drone that can't reach the Israeli border?

Keep it under your hat and everything, but sometimes, just sometimes Iran likes to bullshit the world about its arsenal.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/07/iran-missile-ph/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/07 ... issile-ph/</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/02/irans_new_space/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/02 ... new_space/</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www-cgi.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/10/missile.iran/index.html?iref=24hours" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www-cgi.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast ... ef=24hours</a>

Also, the ACTUAL quote was:

"The jet, as well as being an ambassador of death for the enemies of humanity, has a main message of peace and friendship."

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38804551/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38804551/ns ... stn_africa</a>

I don't believe a word that comes out of that tinpot leaders fucking mouth. He's a snake at the best of times; don't give any of his words any credence, whether that be "ambassador of death" or "bringing a message of peace and friendship". Both are equally full of crap.

Iran, like North Korea, spout off at every opportunity for their own domestic reasons rather than for any militaristic notion. They are aware that the US and Israel could wipe them both off the face of the map before supper if they piss them off too much

 

[bluemanc]

Just because you have a different agenda on Terrorist attrocities it doesn't make what i posted bullshit.

Yes, claiming that 9/11 was the first time that we saw extremism is complete bullshit.

You posted a link to a site & pleaded with posters on this forum to donate to a site that was posting information on the internet that would most likely cost British soldiers & civilians lives so it's best if you of all people don't try to take the moral high ground & be the judge of what a traitor is.

Go on then smart arse, explain exactly how Wikileaks would "most likely cost British soldiers and civilian lives"?

I'm desperate to hear this one as I know it's going to be equally fucking hilarious and retarded.

What i posted was relative to 9/11 feel free to start your own thread about why what the terrorists did at 9/11 was so helpful to Afganistan,Pakistan etc by all means, i'm sure the term bullshit in regard to your views will be ok.

Are you for real? Did you even read what I posted, or did you just pick out a few words then put them together in your head?

Go on, I'd like you to bold where I said anything of the sort here.

You are arguing against points that I didn't even make. Somebody once told me "don't argue with an idiot; they'll just drop you to their level and beat you with experience". Perhaps I should take this advice.

-- Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:02 pm --

You need to read up on your history its not all been one way traffic. Infact its only really been say last 300 years that Europe has really had the upper hand.

And you need to read people's posts. Nowhere did I claim that it was one way traffic.

When you post as fact that any reply given will be"hilarious"& "retarded" please explain in dead big words what would be the point of replying.
ps.stop stalking me aswell,please.

 

[Damocles]

Because you obviously have very little clue what Wikileaks actually released, or have a ridiculous notion of what will endanger troop's lifes.

Also, if you believe that somebody calling you on your bullshit is stalking, perhaps an internet forum isn't the best place to post it. Try a blog and disabling comments or something.

 

[typicalcity68]

In my opinion, we (UK) and the Yanks have been far more extreme in the terror stakes, it's just that it is not written about. 9/11 was a gift because it meant that the US/UK alliance could do whatever it liked with impunity.
By remembering it every year in such a high profile fashion we are laying the ground for the next bit of violence, this time against those other pesky Muslims in Iran.

The name of Irans new bomber "The Ambassador Of Death"gives the game away a tad about what Iran has planned for the future.
With Russian scientists involved in the Nuclear Power Plant construction i wouldn't be so cocky if i was them.

Who told you that was the name of the new bomb's name? The media perhaps? The same media that time and time again quote Ahmadinadjad as saying he wanted Israel "wiped of the the map" when no such phrase exists in Persian?

 

[Soulboy]

I love Damocles' posts.

Not only is he the only tactical genius on the board as every one else a "fucking idiot" when it comes to football, but he is also the resident genius on Terrorism and anyone who fails to see that is a retarded fool.

Anyone who has to revert to this sort of view about people who have alternative opinions are usually not convinced by their own arguments, such is their desire to attack the person rather than the argument...

Just a thought.

 

[Damocles]

The name of Irans new bomber "The Ambassador Of Death"gives the game away a tad about what Iran has planned for the future.
With Russian scientists involved in the Nuclear Power Plant construction i wouldn't be so cocky if i was them.

Who told you that was the name of the new bomb's name? The media perhaps? The same media that time and time again quote Ahmadinadjad as saying he wanted Israel "wiped of the the map" when no such phrase exists in Persian?

You kind of have a point.

Whilst Ahmadinejad was saying that he wanted to force the current government to fall, it's still a horrificly stupid thing to say with the world's media in front of you. I seem to think that the actual quote was something to do with paper, and he was actually quoting that great bastion of peace, Khomeini, who was the guy who supported the students (who some say included Ahmadinejad) that took over the US Embassy, tortured the prisoners and kept them for a year.

 

[Anonymous]

like other people have said, capitalist gain is suppressions gain

it's creeping everywhere like a dark cloud

i'm not really one for conspiracy theory's, i don't think it was an inside job, it was simply an attack on a country that flex's it's muscles in the wrong places

but i'm not of the opinion on whether they deserved it or not.

 

[typicalcity68]

Who told you that was the name of the new bomb's name? The media perhaps? The same media that time and time again quote Ahmadinadjad as saying he wanted Israel "wiped of the the map" when no such phrase exists in Persian?

You kind of have a point.

Whilst Ahmadinejad was saying that he wanted to force the current government to fall, it's still a horrificly stupid thing to say with the world's media in front of you. I seem to think that the actual quote was something to do with paper, and he was actually quoting that great bastion of peace, Khomeini, who was the guy who supported the students (who some say included Ahmadinejad) that took over the US Embassy, tortured the prisoners and kept them for a year.

is correct.

 

[bluemanc]

Because you obviously have very little clue what Wikileaks actually released, or have a ridiculous notion of what will endanger troop's lifes.

Also, if you believe that somebody calling you on your bullshit is stalking, perhaps an internet forum isn't the best place to post it. Try a blog and disabling comments or something.

You was obviously given permission to post the link & ask for donations off here to fund the site so in that respect you didn't break the code of conduct so you have nothing to worry about.
The facility exists on this forum to foe people who you may find offensive but i'm assuming mods are immune from this,when one behaves like you have done perhaps it might be an idea to review this.

 

[Damocles]

I love Damocles' posts.

Not only is he the only tactical genius on the board as every one else a "fucking idiot" when it comes to football, but he is also the resident genius on Terrorism and anyone who fails to see that is a retarded fool.

Anyone who has to revert to this sort of view about people who have alternative opinions are usually not convinced by their own arguments, such is their desire to attack the person rather than the argument...

Just a thought.

If you cannot back up your argument with facts and your whole opinion is based upon something that you have made up, then yes, you are a fool.
If you try to make a point about terrorism whilst trying to paint it as good vs evil, then you're a fool.
If you try to take the actions of a few men and lambast whole nations or faiths for it, then yes, you're a fool.

You can take your own interpretation of the actual events, fine, but to talk about a subject without acknowledging them is just daft.

I apologise if I'm not in the mood to debate people's crap today, when they won't do even the smallest amount of research. I usually come up with long posts explaining step by step why I think that they are wrong, and what the actual facts are along with my interpretation of them is. I usually end up back to square one, so I've just decided today to cut out the middleman and directly question things that are quite obviously daft. As I say, apologies if it is too abrasive but I'm feeling lazy<br /><br />-- Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:43 pm --<br /><br />

Because you obviously have very little clue what Wikileaks actually released, or have a ridiculous notion of what will endanger troop's lifes.

Also, if you believe that somebody calling you on your bullshit is stalking, perhaps an internet forum isn't the best place to post it. Try a blog and disabling comments or something.

You was obviously given permission to post the link & ask for donations off here to fund the site so in that respect you didn't break the code of conduct so you have nothing to worry about.
The facility exists on this forum to foe people who you may find offensive but i'm assuming mods are immune from this,when one behaves like you have done perhaps it might be an idea to review this.

I see your history is also lacking. Good job.

That is unless you think me posting a link to the Guardian and then posting:

"I fucking LOVE Wikileaks. Go and donate them some money if you can spare it."

Is actually a large, concerted fund raising effort by myself that somehow needed permission and not just enthusiasm for a particular agency that believes that the people who pay to manage our money should be responsible to us.

 

[Soulboy]

I love Damocles' posts.

Not only is he the only tactical genius on the board as every one else a "fucking idiot" when it comes to football, but he is also the resident genius on Terrorism and anyone who fails to see that is a retarded fool.

Anyone who has to revert to this sort of view about people who have alternative opinions are usually not convinced by their own arguments, such is their desire to attack the person rather than the argument...

Just a thought.

If you cannot back up your argument with facts and your whole opinion is based upon something that you have made up, then yes, you are a fool.
If you try to make a point about terrorism whilst trying to paint it as good vs evil, then you're a fool.
If you try to take the actions of a few men and lambast whole nations or faiths for it, then yes, you're a fool.

You can take your own interpretation of the actual events, fine, but to talk about a subject without acknowledging them is just daft.

I apologise if I'm not in the mood to debate people's crap today, when they won't do even the smallest amount of research. I usually come up with long posts explaining step by step why I think that they are wrong, and what the actual facts are along with my interpretation of them is. I usually end up back to square one, so I've just decided today to cut out the middleman and directly question things that are quite obviously daft. As I say, apologies if it is too abrasive but I'm feeling lazy

-- Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:43 pm --

You was obviously given permission to post the link & ask for donations off here to fund the site so in that respect you didn't break the code of conduct so you have nothing to worry about.
The facility exists on this forum to foe people who you may find offensive but i'm assuming mods are immune from this,when one behaves like you have done perhaps it might be an idea to review this.

I see your history is also lacking. Good job.

That is unless you think me posting a link to the Guardian and then posting:

"I fucking LOVE Wikileaks. Go and donate them some money if you can spare it."

Is actually a large, concerted fund raising effort by myself that somehow needed permission and not just enthusiasm for a particular agency that believes that the people who pay to manage our money should be responsible to us.

I actually like reading your stuff.

But recently you have turned yourself into a bit of a mouth - foamer with all this ranting where you're right and the rest of the world is wrong.

It doesn't look good. And to be brutally honest, it's all just your opinion.

I thought that the mods might have clamped down on your personal insults against certain posters, but seemingly, like me, you entertain them enough to be exempt from this.

Argue your point but stop taking someone's opposite view as being a personal sideswipe at you... that's rather childish to be honest.

 

[bluemanc]

The name of Irans new bomber "The Ambassador Of Death"gives the game away a tad about what Iran has planned for the future.
With Russian scientists involved in the Nuclear Power Plant construction i wouldn't be so cocky if i was them.

Who told you that was the name of the new bomb's name? The media perhaps? The same media that time and time again quote Ahmadinadjad as saying he wanted Israel "wiped of the the map" when no such phrase exists in Persian?

Speaking to a group of officials, Ahmadinejad said, "The jet, as well as being an ambassador of death for the enemies of humanity, has a main message of peace and friendship."
The goal of the aircraft is to "keep the enemy paralyzed in its bases," he said, adding that the jet is for deterrence and defensive purposes.

It's a plane used as a bomb i assume,a kind of we want peace & friendship but only after it's delivered it's other message which by the looks of things is death.

 

[Scottyboi]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fH7c8H6SNw[/youtube]

Thats all this thread should be about imo.

 

[Damocles]

I actually like reading your stuff.

But recently you have turned yourself into a bit of a mouth - foamer with all this ranting where you're right and the rest of the world is wrong.

It doesn't look good. And to be brutally honest, it's all just your opinion.

I thought that the mods might have clamped down on your personal insults against certain posters, but seemingly, like me, you entertain them enough to be exempt from this.

Argue your point but stop taking someone's opposite view as being a personal sideswipe at you... that's rather childish to be honest.

I don't take anybody having an alternative view as a personal sideswipe. I like arguing different points of view as long as they are based upon facts. As I said before, making stuff up and not even bothering to have the decency to look things up before entering a debate about it annoys me profusely.

If somebody wants to make a point that they can actually back up; one that is based upon their interpretation of events, then I have no problem. I'm just sick to death of arguing with people who haven't thought about an issue or use some absurd notion of nationalism/religion/politics/etc to justify something that a child can poke holes in.

I've now come to the only natural conclusion that if people can post bullshit, we should be able to call it bullshit without 1000 word posts that politely explain exactly why it is. Why put in more effort than those who make the argument?

 

[Scottyboi]

Dam your a clever guy, I have tried looking it up but why did the Blackbox's not survive? I thought these were unbreakable? Was it the heat or were they just simply lost?

 

[Damocles]

Dam your a clever guy, I have tried looking it up but why did the Blackbox's not survive? I thought these were unbreakable? Was it the heat or were they just simply lost?

I have no idea. The FBI say that "as far as they know" no black boxes were ever recovered as they were destroyed on impact, though two NYC firefighters claim they were found.

Both are just as plausible as each other to be honest. Nobody is entirely sure or not whether they could have survived smashing into two buildings with that type of energy behind them.