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[JoeMercer'sWay]

so was sending men over the top at machine gunners, but it still happened.

...and...

Bad things happened, bad tactics used, doesn't have any relevance to 9/11 nor general criticisms of the Americans or anything else.

What was the blitz?

 

[Skashion]

Bad things happened, bad tactics used, doesn't have any relevance to 9/11 nor general criticisms of the Americans or anything else.

What was the blitz?

You're not making any sense.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Bad things happened, bad tactics used, doesn't have any relevance to 9/11 nor general criticisms of the Americans or anything else.

What was the blitz?

You're not making any sense.

it's not difficult...

 

[Skashion]

it's not difficult...

To make sense? No it isn't, I quite agree.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

it's not difficult...

To make sense? No it isn't, I quite agree.

In the midst of attacking area bombing, particularly on Dresden but not mentioning the Blitz whilst ignoring many, many, many other nasty war tactics including sending thousands of helpless men over the top against machine gunners, exterminating people in concentration camps and general other nasty war business and as a result taking the thread away from the topic of 9/11 and discussing things that have basically no relevance and no credence in a debate as to the actual happenings on 9/11.

Like I said, it really wasn't difficult to grasp.

 

[MikeBlue]

Was Phil Jones not responsible for 9/11?

 

[SWP's back]

it's not difficult...

To make sense? No it isn't, I quite agree.

In the midst of attacking area bombing, particularly on Dresden but not mentioning the Blitz whilst ignoring many, many, many other nasty war tactics including sending thousands of helpless men over the top against machine gunners, exterminating people in concentration camps and general other nasty war business and as a result taking the thread away from the topic of 9/11 and discussing things that have basically no relevance and no credence in a debate as to the actual happenings on 9/11.

Like I said, it really wasn't difficult to grasp.

So what are you saying?

 

[Skashion]

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In the midst of attacking area bombing, particularly on Dresden but not mentioning the Blitz whilst ignoring many, many, many other nasty war tactics including sending thousands of helpless men over the top against machine gunners, exterminating people in concentration camps and general other nasty war business and as a result taking the thread away from the topic of 9/11 and discussing things that have basically no relevance and no credence in a debate as to the actual happenings on 9/11.

Like I said, it really wasn't difficult to grasp.

The discussion wasn't about nasty shit that's happened during war though. Perhaps that's why you don't get it. It was about 'dodgy' stuff American governments have done in response to some people being unable to contemplate an American government doing something as fucked up as 9/11. They've done worse, that was the point. It's not a good argument to use to counter conspiracies because anyone can point to the enormous amount of blood shed due to the actions of American governments, either directly or through sending their own soldiers into pointless wars.

Sending men over the top, extermination camps (by the way extermination camps were different to concentration camps), had nothing to do with the Americans - and before you try to get clever, by the time American soldiers arrived in the First World War, the worst of trench warfare was over. Anti-trench warfare tactics had evolved by then, tanks were now in use etc. So why you were mentioning them, was pretty hard to grasp. Also, it was SWP's Back that got us onto this topic though by concentrating specifically on the Second World War area of a general comment. Mine was part of a general point which mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Pinochet as examples of where lives in the millions (in total) have been lost due to the policies of American governments.

By the way SWP's Back, this is not at all a dig at you. As you know, I'm quite happy to discuss the Second World War with you and if the mods deem it needs to be a separate discussion, so be it, they can move or remove posts or whatever, or take it to PMs.

 

[BlueBilly]

Was Phil Jones not responsible for 9/11?

Make a Youtube video saying he was and some moron will believe it.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

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In the midst of attacking area bombing, particularly on Dresden but not mentioning the Blitz whilst ignoring many, many, many other nasty war tactics including sending thousands of helpless men over the top against machine gunners, exterminating people in concentration camps and general other nasty war business and as a result taking the thread away from the topic of 9/11 and discussing things that have basically no relevance and no credence in a debate as to the actual happenings on 9/11.

Like I said, it really wasn't difficult to grasp.

The discussion wasn't about nasty shit that's happened during war though. Perhaps that's why you don't get it. It was about 'dodgy' stuff American governments have done in response to some people being unable to contemplate an American government doing something as fucked up as 9/11. They've done worse, that was the point. It's not a good argument to use to counter conspiracies because anyone can point to the enormous amount of blood shed due to the actions of American governments, either directly or through sending their own soldiers into pointless wars.

Sending men over the top, extermination camps (by the way extermination camps were different to concentration camps), had nothing to do with the Americans - and before you try to get clever, by the time American soldiers arrived in the First World War, the worst of trench warfare was over. Anti-trench warfare tactics had evolved by then, tanks were now in use etc. So why you were mentioning them, was pretty hard to grasp. Also, it was SWP's Back that got us onto this topic though by concentrating specifically on the Second World War area of a general comment. Mine was part of a general point which mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Pinochet as examples of where lives in the millions (in total) have been lost due to the policies of American governments.

By the way SWP's Back, this is not at all a dig at you. As you know, I'm quite happy to discuss the Second World War with you and if the mods deem it needs to be a separate discussion, so be it, they can move or remove posts or whatever, or take it to PMs.

What American governments did in the past has little relevance to 9/11, they're very seperate issues.

Focusing solely on American government actions is not justifiable as it implies it is an exclusive issue, in acts of war countless nations have all committed terrible crimes or used horrible tactics, whether the Americans have or were involved or not is irrelevan.t

And again, none of this has anything to do with 9/11, I think a peacetime act of aggression and mass murder on your own people is something that a lot of people would struggle to comprehend and elevate the level of severity of a lot more compared to a wartime act of aggression on another country's people. What those two different situations require are completely different from each other on a whole range of levels, which is why bombing Dresden or whatever else you want to use to say how "bad the Americans have been so this is why we should suspect them of this as well" really has no relevance whatsoever, sticking to your WTC7 questions and wish for proper evidence, investigation and the truth has a lot more credence, at least in my own opinion.

As many things have taught us, today with Hillsborough included, is that evidence must always come first, judgments later.