9-11

[Unknown_Genius]

Our purpose was to document the event?!?!

That's an incredible statement.

The bit that gets me is about the van with a mural of a plane crashing into the buildings. I'm amazed that has received so little attention.

Don't believe everthing you see on youtube
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis

That doesn't really debunk anything. Its just how someone interpreted the video. Its a personal opinion and point of view.

 

[Skashion]

What American governments did in the past has little relevance to 9/11, they're very seperate issues.

Focusing solely on American government actions is not justifiable as it implies it is an exclusive issue, in acts of war countless nations have all committed terrible crimes or used horrible tactics, whether the Americans have or were involved or not is irrelevan.t

And again, none of this has anything to do with 9/11, I think a peacetime act of aggression and mass murder on your own people is something that a lot of people would struggle to comprehend and elevate the level of severity of a lot more compared to a wartime act of aggression on another country's people. What those two different situations require are completely different from each other on a whole range of levels, which is why bombing Dresden or whatever else you want to use to say how "bad the Americans have been so this is why we should suspect them of this as well" really has no relevance whatsoever, sticking to your WTC7 questions and wish for proper evidence, investigation and the truth has a lot more credence, at least in my own opinion.

As many things have taught us, today with Hillsborough included, is that evidence must always come first, judgments later.

Yeah, the Bush government really turned out to be a shining beacon of high morality didn't it...

It wasn't a game of one-upmanship. Whether the American government is the most evil was not the point. At no juncture did I make the argument only an American government would be capable of this. Other governments would be too, the Americans just have form for it.

I'm not even making the argument that they did do it so why you're talking about evidence is peculiar to say the least. I don't need evidence for a theory I am not advocating. I'm stating that claiming an American government isn't capable of such a bloody atrocity is a piss-poor argument against 9/11 conspiracy theories. Clearly it has been and continues to be. It proved it before 9/11 and it proved it afterwards.

 

[SWP's back]

The bit that gets me is about the van with a mural of a plane crashing into the buildings. I'm amazed that has received so little attention.

Don't believe everthing you see on youtube
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis

That doesn't really debunk anything. Its just how someone interpreted the video. Its a personal opinion and point of view.

It shows they were wrongly held, never charged, blew nothing up and tried to sue. Hardly the stuff of Mossad agents. And the debunker is not interpretting the video but listing every news piece about the Israelis.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

I thought this thread was going to be about John Virgo's faveorite age range.

 

[stonerblue]

Do you know how a fire investigation is done? You dismiss all the factors it couldnot have been and what you are left with is (barring CCTV footage of someone doing it) is most likely the outcome

Billions of people watched what happened that day, not thousands or millions, billions, can you seriously suggest that someone believed that they could do what you are suggesting in front of this audience?

to suggest their is a conspiracy is to disrespect those people

the world is not an Xfiles episode, although some on here would love to believe it, I don't doubt the US government do some very dodgy things as do many governments, but that day is purely down to some evil bastards who killed thousands of innocent people and sadly have continued to do so ever since, th irony been the US and UK governments trained them to do it in the early 80s to fight the USSR.

You don't know how it happened because NIST cannot produce a model that matches empirical observations and even if it could, we cannot verify the models independently because they won't release the data. Why not? They claim public safety but this is what governments the world over habitually claim when they don't want something embarrassing released.

IF the American government did do it, having that many people watching was the entire point - to legitimise invasions of other countries. Well before 9/11, the PNAC were talking about regime change in Iraq and that a Pearl Harbor event would make it so much easier to sell: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebui ... fenses.pdf</a>

Claiming I'm disrespecting the dead doesn't work on me. It's a fallacious statement usually intent on getting someone to shut up.

The US government has done many more 'dodgy' things than 9/11. The US government has been responsible for millions of unnecessary deaths. From area bombing during the Second World War, to dropping atomic bombs on an already defeated Japan, to Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and the victims of so many US-backed coups like Pinochet. The US government had and continues to have blood on its hands. An ocean of blood in which 9/11 would be a mere drop. Again, IF, they did 9/11 wouldn't even make the top ten of 'dodgy' dealings - that is if you value even human life equally as I do. Many Americans would beg to differ no doubt.

-- Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:58 pm --

Nineteen?

N-N-N-N-Nineteen.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byCCmBwRjGw[/youtube]

I respect your commitment but the hardest thing you can ever do is make people question their reality. If they accept that the government lies to them then they have to accept they are not entirely safe and less in control than they thought they were. This is all very scary it is much easier to live in a fabricated reality than break out and have to deal with the real world.

I was also waiting for the "You are disrespecting the memory of those who died by questioning what happended." Right on cue it came along too. Most people do not think that is why they get angry and upset at those who do because you are asking them to step out of a comfort zone. They would rather they were spoon fed reality by governments and those in charge than have to question anything.

Like I said I respect your commitment but you are fighting a losing battle. You will be called all sorts of names then your intelligence will be questioned and then your character attacked all which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Kin 'ell didactic, that's your best post ever.

 

[Balti]

wow, ycmiu

oh hang on....

 

[stonerblue]

wow, ycmiu

oh hang on....

very good.

 

[SWP's back]

Kin 'ell didactic, that's your best post ever.

It's not entirely true though, skashion, unlike the big man, argues his points with relevant points and sources and as such, doesn't get called thick or have his character mocked.

Didactic tried to align himself to a very intelligent, educated poster in an attempt to legitimise his piss poor debating skills.

 

[The Flash]

Kin 'ell didactic, that's your best post ever.

It's not entirely true though, skashion, unlike the big man, argues his points with relevant points and sources and as such, doesn't get called thick or have his character mocked.

Didactic tried to align himself to a very intelligent, educated poster in an attempt to legitimise his piss poor debating skills.

^^Only thees^^

 

[sweynforkbeard]

Do you know how a fire investigation is done? You dismiss all the factors it couldnot have been and what you are left with is (barring CCTV footage of someone doing it) is most likely the outcome

Billions of people watched what happened that day, not thousands or millions, billions, can you seriously suggest that someone believed that they could do what you are suggesting in front of this audience?

to suggest their is a conspiracy is to disrespect those people

the world is not an Xfiles episode, although some on here would love to believe it, I don't doubt the US government do some very dodgy things as do many governments, but that day is purely down to some evil bastards who killed thousands of innocent people and sadly have continued to do so ever since, th irony been the US and UK governments trained them to do it in the early 80s to fight the USSR.

You don't know how it happened because NIST cannot produce a model that matches empirical observations and even if it could, we cannot verify the models independently because they won't release the data. Why not? They claim public safety but this is what governments the world over habitually claim when they don't want something embarrassing released.

IF the American government did do it, having that many people watching was the entire point - to legitimise invasions of other countries. Well before 9/11, the PNAC were talking about regime change in Iraq and that a Pearl Harbor event would make it so much easier to sell: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebui ... fenses.pdf</a>

Claiming I'm disrespecting the dead doesn't work on me. It's a fallacious statement usually intent on getting someone to shut up.

The US government has done many more 'dodgy' things than 9/11. The US government has been responsible for millions of unnecessary deaths. From area bombing during the Second World War, to dropping atomic bombs on an already defeated Japan, to Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and the victims of so many US-backed coups like Pinochet. The US government had and continues to have blood on its hands. An ocean of blood in which 9/11 would be a mere drop. Again, IF, they did 9/11 wouldn't even make the top ten of 'dodgy' dealings - that is if you value even human life equally as I do. Many Americans would beg to differ no doubt.

-- Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:58 pm --

I say men when the average age of a soldier that went to Vietnam was 19, died..

Nineteen?

N-N-N-N-Nineteen.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byCCmBwRjGw[/youtube]

An already defeated Japan? Come off it, Skash!