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[i kne albert davy]

Don't sure why we should always fight with the arm tied behind the back.

Build less Lancasters, build more Mosquitos, more effective and more efficient RAF and far less civilian causalities.

Glorious plane: <a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito</a>

I don't want a row mate but bombers have longer ranges.

I just googled both and the Lancaster had a range of approx 2500 miles and the Mosquito had only 900.

If both were based in London, the Mosquito could attack Stuttgart and get home, whereas the Lancaster could attack Tunisia.

Just think it's difficult (probably impossible) to apply today's logic and sensitivities to things that happened so long ago.

The Mosquito stuggled like hell getting the 22000lb grand slam bomb off the runway as well didn't half take the edge off its performance.

 

[Banned Tosspot]

Yep

Ahh but they are the children of that evil nation called America to some on here.

I think we're getting to the root of certain member's feelings.

Total civilians killed at perl harbor = 57.

Total people killed in Hiroshima = 90,000–166,000 with approximately 75-90% civilians. Which at minimal (75%) means 67500 to 120000 civilians killed. How many children and women do you think they were?

Every life counts whether it's a small amount or not.

More lives were saved by the war being ended.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Yep

Ahh but they are the children of that evil nation called America to some on here.

I think we're getting to the root of certain member's feelings.

Total civilians killed at perl harbor = 57.

Total people killed in Hiroshima = 90,000–166,000 with approximately 75-90% civilians. Which at minimal (75%) means 67500 to 120000 civilians killed. How many children and women do you think they were?

Honestly struggling to see your point here if the allies were forced to invade Japan which they would have in 1946 how many Japanese civilians and soldiers would have died. Not forgetting our soldiers sailors and airmen.Japan had the choice of surrender or fight on they chose the wrong option.

 

[Skashion]

Yep

Ahh but they are the children of that evil nation called America to some on here.

I think we're getting to the root of certain member's feelings.

Total civilians killed at perl harbor = 57.

Total people killed in Hiroshima = 90,000–166,000 with approximately 75-90% civilians. Which at minimal (75%) means 67500 to 120000 civilians killed. How many children and women do you think they were? Is there a need for me to go through the numbers?

Perl harbour was a purely military strike. It's goal was not to kill civilians but to destroy military targets.

War will always have civilian casualties, but we shouldn't be targeting civilians as a means to end a war.

Apparently there were thirteen children who died at Pearl Harbor:

ADAMS John Kalauwae, age 18, CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

ARAKAKI Nancy Masako, age 8, CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

FAUFATA Matilda Kaliko, age 12, CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

FOSTER Rowena Kamohaulani, age 3, CIVILIAN, PEARL CITY

HIRASAKI Jackie Yoneto, age 8 CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

HIRASAKI Robert Yoshito, age 3 CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

HIRASAKI Shirley Kinue, age 2 CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

MANGANELLI George Jay, age 14 CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

ODA Yaeko Lillian, age 6 CIVILIAN, EWA

OHTA Janet Yumiko, age 3 months CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

ORNELLAS Barbara June, age 8 CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

ORNELLAS Gertrude, age 16 CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

WILSON, Eunice, age 7 months CIVILIAN, HONOLULU

A lot of those names would appear to be of Japanese descent as well. So the Pacific war started and ended with the death of Japanese children. A terrible shame for humanity.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

I don't think them links are on a par with what happened on 9/11 do you skas?

Tell me how you keep many hundreds if not thousands of people quiet?

No, they're not, but some people are so naive that they believe that no American government would plot to kill its own people and then make it look like someone else. It is a proven fact they have during the 1960s. It's a proven fact that the United States are assassinating its own citizens abroad, such as Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, right at this moment without any due process with signature drone strikes. Will America lie to its people and take its people into a war, in which 60,000 men - I say men when the average age of a soldier that went to Vietnam was 19, died. Yes, these are facts. Some people cannot comprehend that the US government is capable of this. Such naivety is a function of ignorance. It is capable. More than capable. Whether it did it or not is another question, but some are so mind-numbingly ignorant that they believe there are no questions to be asked when even the official investigators say they cannot explain the collapses - the investigators who won't release their data either. I think this thread has veered from insanity in one direction to insanity in the other.

They also passed a law this year that allows them to detain suspected 'terrorists' without trial or access to a lawyer for an indefinite period. God Bless America.

And regarding my prior post, maybe it was a bad source, but don't you think they would check that shit out before broadcasting it ? Its a pretty newsworthy story and if it was discredited surely there would be some statement declaring its falsity around somewhere.

 

[Skashion]

Honestly struggling to see your point here if the allies were forced to invade Japan which they would have in 1946 how many Japanese civilians and soldiers would have died. Not forgetting our soldiers sailors and airmen.Japan had the choice of surrender or fight on they choose the wrong option.

Your assertion seems to be at odds with the opinions of all the American military experts that I quoted only pages ago. An invasion was not necessary. This is a complete straw man.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Didn't the Australian military warn America of the advancing Japanese fighter pilots and they proceeded to do fuck all about it ?

 

[BulgarianPride]

Ahh but they are the children of that evil nation called America to some on here.

I think we're getting to the root of certain member's feelings.

Total civilians killed at perl harbor = 57.

Total people killed in Hiroshima = 90,000–166,000 with approximately 75-90% civilians. Which at minimal (75%) means 67500 to 120000 civilians killed. How many children and women do you think they were?

Every life counts whether it's a small amount or not.

More lives were saved by the war being ended.

I have not said i value one's life over an other. But if you are using the killing of 57 civilians as a justification of the nuclear bombings, it would mean you value an American's life approximately 1600 times more and a Japanese life.

Per Harbor = strategical strike, Atomic bombings in japan = Crime against humanity.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Honestly struggling to see your point here if the allies were forced to invade Japan which they would have in 1946 how many Japanese civilians and soldiers would have died. Not forgetting our soldiers sailors and airmen.Japan had the choice of surrender or fight on they choose the wrong option.

Your assertion seems to be at odds with the opinions of all the American military experts that I quoted only pages ago. An invasion was not necessary. This is a complete straw man.

When you get 5 minutes read about operation Downfall it might enlighten you.lucky for us it was mainly the Americans who would have been doing the dying have no doubt barring the use of Atomic weapons Japan would have been invaded.

 

[Skashion]

Total civilians killed at perl harbor = 57.

Total people killed in Hiroshima = 90,000–166,000 with approximately 75-90% civilians. Which at minimal (75%) means 67500 to 120000 civilians killed. How many children and women do you think they were?

Every life counts whether it's a small amount or not.

More lives were saved by the war being ended.

I have not said i value one's life over an other. But if you are using the killing of 57 civilians as a justification of the nuclear bombings, it would mean you value an American's life approximately 1600 times more and a Japanese life.

Per Harbor = strategical strike, Atomic bombings in japan = Crime against humanity.

Are you on a mission to shorten the words Pearl Harbor?